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The best time to unionize is when you're in a strong bargaining position to set a sustainable baseline in your first contract and build the infrastructure to ma

• SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago
  I think tech workers are currently in a weaker position but still a fairly strong position to unionize. There are plenty of people still employed enough to be able to support those laid off, and tech workers as a whole earn enough that many should hav a significant savings for emergencies like strikes. I think we should be organizing to have similar protections like a guild, where we guarantee minimum quality of treatment for us workers but no maximum on perks and wages, not even pegged to tenure.
• pydry 3y ago
  Strikes are probably the least effective tactic for a tech union. Software isn't a coal mine or a railway. Plenty of products have glided along for a while with very few people maintaining them. Sometimes even zero. I imagine if we do see tech collective action it'll probably be done quietly in the form of silently exploding technical debt, with documentation that misleads more than it informs and products that collapse under the weight of their own unmaintainability.
  • mrguyorama 3y ago
    Most companies don't have twitter levels of overengineering. Work to rule would kill any tech company. Imagine your biggest contract having to wait 2 weeks before you can fix the bug that is crashing their business. Imagine zero tech support because unpaid after hours tech support is horse shit.
• omginternets 3y ago
  This has me wondering, how might a union be formed so as to avoid common misbehaviors of unions? I’m aware of many examples of unions behaving pathologically, but well-run unions hardly make headlines. Are there any noteworthy examples of the latter? Off the top of my head, paths to explore would include: - no full-time/paid positions as union officials - term limits on union officials - limited budget Perhaps I’m naive, but the last item seems especially appealing. I don’t quite see why unions need big budgets, as it seems to me their activities should more or less revolve around the kind of collective discussions that can take place on Zoom or a forum. As such, expenses would be more or less limited to operational expenses for these tools. I’d actually consider joining a union that was sufficiently restricted in scope, and narrow in its focus. The trickier question is how to avoid the failure mode of unions defending known-bad employees. Having worked a few union jobs in the past, there were more than a handful of colleagues I sincerely wished would get fired, but for whom the union afforded undue protection.
• robertlagrant 3y ago
  > The best time to unionize is when you're in a strong bargaining position to set a sustainable baseline in your first contract and build the infrastructure to make a strike credible. Unions are strongest when they have a huge fund to support their members through a strike. I might be wrong, but I don't think the average employee salary would be nearly as high as they are, given unionisation costs quite a lot of money, that drives up the cost per-employee massively. You might say now is the best moment ever to do this, but I don't see why that would be true.
  • mrguyorama 3y ago
    >given unionisation costs quite a lot of money In what made up reality is that even remotely true? Everyone I know in a union pays a couple hundred bucks tops. Is it really not worth an xbox to help your fellow worker be happy, healthy, and sustainable?
    • robertlagrant 3y ago
      That's not the cost I mean. Why would union fees drive up the cost of an employee?
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