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> This has side effects of petty larceny and shootings. All of the mall shootings are groups of these kids that have beef with each other. It's mostly harmless

by tauntz 3y ago

> This has side effects of petty larceny and shootings. All of the mall shootings are groups of these kids that have beef with each other. It's mostly harmless to shoppers but there's always a chance you could get caught in crossfire or become the target of a malicious youth prank. As an outsider (from an European country): I don't think train access is the cause here :O It's like saying "We should seed rain clouds because nice sunny weather correlates with mall shootings as nobody wants to go out in a storm". I mean, yes, the facts check out (sunny weather = more shootings than during a storm. I guess?) but the "solution" (don't provide public transportation / seed rain clouds) is.. ugh..

d0gsg0w00f 3y ago
I agree that correlation is not causation but it's tough to ignore when you see the packs of kids walking to/from the train
- tauntz 3y ago
  You are not wrong and we are in agreement! :) Trains bring more "these kinds of kids" to the mall vs private cars. Nice weather brings more "these kinds of kids" to the mall as well (compared to stormy weather). Now, where we do seem to disagree is the question of where the actual problem is. In my opinion, the problem is _not_ that kids are at the mall. The problem is that, apparently, these kids start to shoot each other while they're at the mall (!?! what the fuck) Looking at _all_ the other countries that have nicer weather and / or better public transportation, we don't see kids shooting each other at malls. So I'd say that's a good indicator that the _actual problem_ can't be solved by restricting public transportation (or sunshine) but there has to be a different issue that needs to be tackled here..
amadeuspagel 3y ago
There's a bridge in stockholm that isn't getting opened because people in the rich neighboorhood on one side don't want people from the poor neighboorhood on the other side to come there. https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/26/stockholm-bridge-row-exposes-the-bitter-divisions-fracturing-swedish-society https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/26/stockholm-bridge-row-exp...
- prottog 3y ago
  They don't want the poor people to come over, or are they merely against "criminality and delinquency" coming over? Surely it's possible to to separate the people and the behavior (of the few, mind you).

by tauntz 3y ago

d0gsg0w00f 3y ago

I agree that correlation is not causation but it's tough to ignore when you see the packs of kids walking to/from the train

tauntz 3y ago
You are not wrong and we are in agreement! :) Trains bring more "these kinds of kids" to the mall vs private cars. Nice weather brings more "these kinds of kids" to the mall as well (compared to stormy weather). Now, where we do seem to disagree is the question of where the actual problem is. In my opinion, the problem is _not_ that kids are at the mall. The problem is that, apparently, these kids start to shoot each other while they're at the mall (!?! what the fuck) Looking at _all_ the other countries that have nicer weather and / or better public transportation, we don't see kids shooting each other at malls. So I'd say that's a good indicator that the _actual problem_ can't be solved by restricting public transportation (or sunshine) but there has to be a different issue that needs to be tackled here..

amadeuspagel 3y ago

There's a bridge in stockholm that isn't getting opened because people in the rich neighboorhood on one side don't want people from the poor neighboorhood on the other side to come there. https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/26/stockholm-bridge-row-exposes-the-bitter-divisions-fracturing-swedish-society https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/26/stockholm-bridge-row-exp...

prottog 3y ago
They don't want the poor people to come over, or are they merely against "criminality and delinquency" coming over? Surely it's possible to to separate the people and the behavior (of the few, mind you).