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Don't forget about the Marshall plan or the massive amounts of technical advancements due to the US or the billions of people lifted out of poverty due to the U

Don't forget about the Marshall plan or the massive amounts of technical advancements due to the US or the billions of people lifted out of poverty due to the US secured global order. The US has been an imperfect superpower but objectively the most benevolent. Realistically, what would be a better alternative to US hegemony?

z3c0 3y ago
I'm sorry, but that does not absolve anything. The US's humanitarian engagement is 100% a ploy to increase trade and/or military installations abroad. What's more, even in the outlier organizations like the Red Cross or the Peace Corps, they are forced to cowtow to the political agendas of the region. For example, PC cannot promote birth-control in a lot of impoverished areas of South America due to Catholicism. This illustrates quite plainly that despite the best intentions of their members, these organizations are political power plays, not acts of benevolence.
bombolo 3y ago
> The US has been an imperfect superpower but objectively the most benevolent. I'm sure the south americans that get a golpe every time they try to have a democratic elections disagree. Possibly also the afghan women that had equal rights during communism might feel that USA wasn't very benevolent. I've also met refugees who had to leave their country because of USA bombing them (for made up chemical weapons). They also don't see the USA as benevolent. I think it's better to frame it in a advantageous/disadvantageous for me situation. Clearly USA is advantageous for you (and me!) but I wouldn't presume it is for the majority of people.
- throwaway6734 3y ago
  What superpower has been more benevolent than the US? >Clearly USA is advantageous for you (and me!) but I wouldn't presume it is for the majority of people. Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty due to the economic system that has been maintained via US power.
  - bombolo 3y ago
    > Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty due to the economic system that has been maintained via US power. Have they? Why do so many south americans emigrate then, if their continent has been rendered so rich and prosperous by the USA?
    - throwaway6734 3y ago
      Yes they have. You're strawmanning. Progress != Perfection and South American countries have agency as well
      - bombolo 3y ago
        > You're strawmanning How is an entire continent a strawman?

z3c0 3y ago

I'm sorry, but that does not absolve anything. The US's humanitarian engagement is 100% a ploy to increase trade and/or military installations abroad. What's more, even in the outlier organizations like the Red Cross or the Peace Corps, they are forced to cowtow to the political agendas of the region. For example, PC cannot promote birth-control in a lot of impoverished areas of South America due to Catholicism. This illustrates quite plainly that despite the best intentions of their members, these organizations are political power plays, not acts of benevolence.

bombolo 3y ago

> The US has been an imperfect superpower but objectively the most benevolent. I'm sure the south americans that get a golpe every time they try to have a democratic elections disagree. Possibly also the afghan women that had equal rights during communism might feel that USA wasn't very benevolent. I've also met refugees who had to leave their country because of USA bombing them (for made up chemical weapons). They also don't see the USA as benevolent. I think it's better to frame it in a advantageous/disadvantageous for me situation. Clearly USA is advantageous for you (and me!) but I wouldn't presume it is for the majority of people.

throwaway6734 3y ago
What superpower has been more benevolent than the US? >Clearly USA is advantageous for you (and me!) but I wouldn't presume it is for the majority of people. Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty due to the economic system that has been maintained via US power.
- bombolo 3y ago
  > Billions of people have been lifted out of poverty due to the economic system that has been maintained via US power. Have they? Why do so many south americans emigrate then, if their continent has been rendered so rich and prosperous by the USA?
  - throwaway6734 3y ago
    Yes they have. You're strawmanning. Progress != Perfection and South American countries have agency as well
    - bombolo 3y ago
      > You're strawmanning How is an entire continent a strawman?