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Ask HN: Is there a mental task at which average humans can still beat computers?
It's certainly not: Anything that can be solved easily by computation (obviously), information retrieval, memory, general knowledge, creative writing, poetry, drawing, composition, ...
What, if anything, is left?
Please keep in mind I'm asking about the average human, not the average HN user with a PhD in whatever.
- cratermoon 3y agoThere's a philosopher name Hubert Dreyfus who has written a couple of books about the subject. In 1972 he published What Computers Can't Do: The Limits of Artificial Intelligence, a 3rd edition published in 1992 was titled What Computers Still Can't Do. He also co-wrote, with his brother Stuart, Mind Over Machine: The Power of Human Intuition and Expertise in the Era of the Computer If you're not up for a whole book, there a 1965 paper titled "Alchemy and Artificial Intelligence" available at https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2006/P3244.pdf https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/papers/2006/P3244... that weighs in at only 98 pages.
- p-e-w 3y agoI'm talking about today. I'm well aware that in 1965, in 1972, and even in 1992 there were plenty of tasks at which average humans were obliterating computers.
- cratermoon 3y agoAllow me to gently suggest that you read Hubert's work and considered current LLMs in light of his exegesis.
- p-e-w 3y agoMy inquiry is about concrete, measurable tasks for which the question of "superiority" makes sense to ask. I'm not familiar with the works you are referencing, but your response gives the strong impression that I would find metaphysical arguments or unjustified assumptions about the human mind, which I've seen many times and am not interested in. If possible, please name a single concrete task that, according to those articles, the average human today can demonstrably beat a computer at.
- cratermoon 3y agoDreaming.
- p-e-w 3y agoDreaming is not a "task", and certainly not one where performance comparisons make any sense.
- cratermoon 3y agoI sense that discussion is headed towards "it doesn't count if a computer can't do it", in which case, the premises begs the question. Good day, sir.
- p-e-w 3y agoTake two humans. What does it mean for one of them to be "better at dreaming" than the other?
- cratermoon 3y ago> creative writing, poetry, drawing Show me a concrete, quantitative measure to evaluate the quality of those activities or their outcomes. Use that to demonstrate that LLMs are better than the average human. But first, define "average" for a poet, writer, or artist.
- billconan 3y agoDeveloping ai models
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