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I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without

• Mistletoe 3y ago
  AI doesn’t mind working in the office and works 24/7, I’d tread lightly here if I was a knowledge worker. There are much worse things than being asked to come to the office to work. Like being told you aren’t needed at all ever again.
  • rybosworld 3y ago
    What a nonsensical line of reasoning.
  • trts 3y ago
    are you suggesting that a worker who does not protest an arbitrary mandate to log onto their computer at a specific corporate office building, would receive greater clemency from the management team when the opportunity arises to replace them with automation?
  • bcrosby95 3y ago
    Companies aren't a charity. The minute knowledge workers can be replaced with AI they will be. Regardless of how much you obey your masters.
  • ThorsBane 3y ago
    When that happens, it’s because AI is doing all labor. That point is the singularity.
  • VincentEvans 3y ago
    Silliness. Willingness to come to office, or wear a tie, or carry a briefcase - will have about as much effect on pushing back progress as puffing your cheeks out to blow away a hurricane.
  • 0fox 3y ago
    Your argument is that employers will eventually have the leverage to say, “come in to the office or else we’ll replace you with AI”. If it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that AI is the more cost-effective employee, then it won’t come to that; employers will just replace their employees with AI. Office presence is completely unrelated.
  • taftster 3y ago
    My ability to work in an office efficiently or at home efficiently has zero bearing on whether my job can be replicated by an AI. - If a job can be outsourced, it will be outsourced. - If a job can be eliminated, it will be eliminated. - If a job can be replaced by AI, it will be replaced by AI. Work location does not factor on these decisions. It's just simply an evaluation of production efficiency.
  • roarcher 3y ago
    If they're ever in a position to replace me with AI, they'll do it regardless of where I'm working from. Might as well enjoy WFH while I can.
• postalrat 3y ago
  They can be as productive and efficient but choose not to.
  • seattle_spring 3y ago
    What exactly is your claim?
    • postalrat 3y ago
      What part of it are you having trouble understanding?
      • seattle_spring 3y ago
        The entire sentence could be interpreted a dozen different ways. I'd like to know precisely what you mean without having to assume.
        • postalrat 3y ago
          People working from home can be as productive and efficient as they were in the office but the majority of them choose not to be.
          • seattle_spring 3y ago
            What non-anecdotal evidence of that being a widespread truth do you have?
            • postalrat 3y ago
              What non-anecdotal evidence of the original claim being a widespread truth do you have?
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• superfrank 3y ago
  > It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days. I'm a big proponent of "I don't care where you work as long as your work gets done" and have been since before covid, but I haven't come across anything that actually proves that, so... source? If there's a good study out there that shows that that is true, I'd love to see it so I can use it as evidence, but so far every study I've seen that claims this tends to either have some very narrow definition of productivity (like number of emails sent) or fails to take overall impact on the organization into account (more work completed, but less coordination between teams may not be a net positive).
  • s1artibartfast 3y ago
    It's obviously not true as a generalization. If your job is bolting together cars, you can't work from home effectively. There might be some individuals and job classes that can do it effectively
  • kcplate 3y ago
    It’s my opinion that people feel like they are more productive at WFH, but it’s a bit of a hard metric to actually measure. I get the sense that the freedom and flexibility might create a feeling of personal productivity to accomplish many things (not just career related) they couldn’t before WFH, but as for job productivity…I bet it’s probably a wash overall. I say this as a remote worker who wouldn’t want to RTO—because I feel like I am more productive at work from home. However, I wouldn’t bet the farm on that if there was a reliable way to measure it.
    • polka_haunts_us 3y ago
      My first job was 40 hours a week in an office, my current job has been full WFH because of covid, transitioning into 3 days in the office. I can tell you factually that the days I'm actually at home in this hybrid setup that I'm way less productive in terms of getting my actual job done than I am days I'm in the office. I think when I was full WFH my at home productivity was actually much higher. However, the days I'm actually in office are way more productive than the average day at my previous job, and I'm pretty sure it's because of the low job productivity WFH days. I think return to office 5 days a week will lower my average in office productivity, resulting in approximate equal job productivity, and leave me less happy overall.
• faddypaddy34 3y ago
  Yeah fighting back, by walking out during lunch only if a thousand people sign the petition. So brave.
  • vogt 3y ago
    My good-faith two cents: one step is better than zero here, even if this isn’t, as you plainly state, much more than a hollow gesture. I doubt Amazon senior leadership are thrilled that this has been in the headlines since this past weekend.
  • dontlaugh 3y ago
    Industrial action build up from even smaller actions. Strikes don’t come out of nowhere.
• LouisSayers 3y ago
  ... and my old housemates have proven to me that some people just slack off and do hardly any work when "working from home".