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Windows 11 adding native support for winRAR, 7zip, tar, and gzip
- ourmandave 3y agoHopefully, the integration is a little better than the native ZIP support, though. Just copy the 7zip interface in file explorer and you're done. It already feels native.
- stuaxo 3y agoYou could set shell= to 7zip.
- ddmma 3y ago0.001% of every Windows license will be redirected to WinRar trial foundation
- mazidodo 3y agoAdd a lot more Zeros here.
- lysp 3y agoBut I love the WinRAR popup?
- omoikane 3y agoI paid for RAR back in 2004 and the same registration key still works today. Compared to the various subscription-based software these days, RAR is a way better deal.
- qwertox 3y agoThe WinRAR license is the nicest one I have. Find that old email and open the attached RAR file and voila, it's registered. I never regretted buying it.
- brundolf 3y agoFascinating that it took this long. I wonder what org dynamics kept it from happening sooner
- pwg 3y agoLikely "NIH syndrome" [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIH_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIH_syndrome
- cramjabsyn 3y agoLikely not considering winrar is decades old
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- vbgamer45 3y agoIt is probably a mixture of the following: is it anticompetitive, ongoing support, security. I think it is mainly anticompetitive issue. Windows has been called many times for bundling software since it hurts other software companies. Which leads to government regulation. It is sad since I think probably the windows solution could be better in some cases with the native support.
- mike_hearn 3y agoLow impact. It's not the sort of thing that drives PM promotions, right? If you look at the Gates era it was all about huge ideas like replacing the fs with a database, unified RPC architectures etc. Small things like a better terminal emulator, improved zip support didn't get a look-in because you can't easily communicate them. They just sort of ambiently sit around until someone notices them and is marginally more satisfied than they were previously. These days the big ideas have gone away, so the small polish finally gets attention.
- BeFlatXIII 3y agoUS DoJ vs. MS Keeps all kinds of features that are table stakes in Mac OS and Linux out of Windows b/c it's "anticompetitive" to bundle everything a user would want with an OS.
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- marwis 3y agoIsn't libarchive streaming only which would suck for exploring large zip/7z archives?
- morjom 3y agoSo I guess they bought out Mr. Winrar?
- melony 3y agoThey probably pulled another Winget. Their product manager will tease an acquihire and bingo your business's stolen https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331287 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331287
- joaonmatos 3y agoSince .rar compression is still proprietary I’m guessing they’d actually have to buy out or license it.
- jug 3y agoThis is extraction only. RAR continues to be a proprietary format and compression will still need WinRAR. UNRAR.DLL (the RAR extraction implementation) has deliberately been free to use. Well at least as in beer.
- vitorgrs 3y agoNop. They said it will be able to create as well. https://imgur.com/a/JiSd168 https://imgur.com/a/JiSd168
- satiric 3y agoFinally. Some here are probably devoted to 7zip or winrar; I can understand that but to be honest, I'd rather it just be painless and native. Not a big deal but one less program to install on new Windows computers now.
- gavaw 3y agoKnowing Microsoft it's going to be one of those ugly, slow UWP apps. So I assume I will keep having to install 7zip
- Alifatisk 3y agoEvery UWP app I have installed has been horrible in terms of ui, half-baked & unreliable. And these are on the M$ store too!
- contravariant 3y agoIs the M$ store even supposed to be used of serious software? I can't help but feel it is not intended to be taken seriously when I get flooded with ads for games and kids movies upon opening it.
- mock-possum 3y agoMy favorite is when I get promoted to open the store to pay $1 for the ability to open .heic files from explorer
- withinboredom 3y agodon't get me started on the calculator that doesn't understand 1.23 and 1,23 are the same and instead of just using it, silently ignores the input when pasting it in from somewhere else -- and no, you can't change this setting without changing your computer's region settings.
- satiric 3y agoI was assuming it would be the same UI that they currently use for .zip, i.e. basically just the file explorer but with an extra tab for the extra functions
- matrix_overload 3y agoI guess Microsoft just ran out of ideas how to improve the OS itself, so they started just blatantly knocking off every popular tool in their ecosystem. Sends a particular message to anyone considering making any tools that work with their products.
- thatguy0900 3y agoDo you really think it's a good idea to apply this logic to native support of a widely used 20 year old file format?
- matrix_overload 3y agoEffectively killing the company that developed it. Yeah, great idea.
- slashtom 3y agoI thought microsoft has been super generous in that regard. winrar has been out for 25+ years, effectively giving winrar a long runway to collect. It's about time this is incorporated into windows os.
- vetinari 3y agoLibarchive (the backend for this functionality) cannot create rar archives, only read them. So the company that developed it will be fine. You will still need winrar.
- vitorgrs 3y agoMicrosoft also announced RAR compression thought. https://imgur.com/a/JiSd168 https://imgur.com/a/JiSd168
- jug 3y ago?? This will only have RAR extraction and UNRAR.DLL was deliberately not commercial.
- edflsafoiewq 3y agoThat's nice. Now how about support for the UTF-8 flag in ZIP? It's been 17 years.
- arthur2e5 3y agoIt's a brand new implementation under libarchive, so I'm pretty sure utf-8 will be available too.
- icegreentea2 3y agoArticle says they'll use libarchive to implement this. Libarchive says its .rar support is read only. =) plenty of reason to keep win-rar around then. I also hope wonder how they'll present .tar.gz files in the windows shell. Will you need to open the .gz, then the .tar? Or just one step. The world wonders...
- forgotmypw17 3y agoFor .tar.gz, I would just open it. Unless there's more than one file inside the .gz, which... is that even possible?
- BenjiWiebe 3y agoAfaik, no. That's why you use tar inside of gz, so you can have multiple files.
- paddim8 3y agoWhy would you want to create rar archives tho?
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoPerhaps they need to send archives to an automated process that only accepts rar files and no one wants to touch it to support other formats because the guy who built left the company decades ago and the system has quietly just worked without trouble over all those years.
- awiesenhofer 3y agoMultivolume archives, recovery options and repair features, encryption... Sooo many possible reasons to choose rar over other formats.
- sixothree 3y agoWinRAR has one feature I wish 7-Zip would add. When selecting multiple zips, you can extract each to their own subfolder with a single command. I miss that more than anything.
- __turbobrew__ 3y agoA few years ago I was working on optimizing scientific data delivery by switching our compression algorithms to use bzip2 instead of deflate64 for our zip files. I checked the zip standard and saw that bzip2 compression was added in 2001 so clients have had 20 years to implement it. After changing our data delivery pipeline to bzip2 I patted myself on the back for finding an easy win which significantly reduced data size and increased compression speed. Fast forward a month or two later I get word that one of our clients is having problems uncompressing the data we sent them. It turns out that there were still windows 10 versions out in the wild that don’t support bzip2 zip files. I begrudgingly cursed windows and reverted my change, robbed of my small victory. It truly is amazing how terrible compression support has been in windows. I could compress a +100GB data archive in under a minute using pigz, but since we had to support windows it would take over 30 minutes to compress the file using deflate. I calculated that with the space savings of gzip we could ship a gzip binary embedded with the data in a smaller size than the deflate data on its own. Unfortunately it was a no-go to ship decompression binaries with embedded data, but I thought it would be a cool idea to use cosmopolitan libc to create a platform agnostic binary which when run uses gzip/bzip/lz4 to quickly decompress the data in a platform agnostic way. I imagine such binaries would be picked up by anti-virus but it would be cool to be able to compress data with the latest algorithms without needing the client to have the matching decompression libraries.
- kwanbix 3y agoWouldn't have been easier to ask the partner to install 7zip?
- jonnycomputer 3y agoHa! No, probably not. I don't mean to be flippant. But I recently had to convert Phillips proprietary DS2 audio format file to MP3, and purchased Phillips software to do that. And then financials came down hard because it wasn't on the approved software list.
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- up2isomorphism 3y agoI don’t care, will not upgrade to win 11.
- samyar 3y ago[dead]
- hn92726819 3y agoPeople complain about their hardware not being supported by windows 11, but you know what? It's just a promise Microsoft won't force me into upgrading. So I'm glad mine isn't supported.
- gumballindie 3y agoI upgraded to linux across the board. Couldnt be happier.
- ChuckNorris89 3y agoThank you for your valuable on-topic insight.
- kmoser 3y agoMicrosoft's support for regular Zip files is a mixed blessing. On the one hand you can seamlessly open a Zip file and navigate through the directory structure. On the other hand, if you're not careful, you may think you're in an actual directory, and when you try to double-click to open or edit one of the files, you end up in a confusing world of temp files. tl;dr I wish Microsoft would make it more obvious when you're navigating a compressed file (and thus not a native directory).
- 16bitvoid 3y agoI wish it would default to unzipping the archive to a folder with the same name in the same directory (without the pop-up window asking me where to unzip it to) when I double-click it like on macOS or most Linux file managers, but to also have a context menu option to view the contents without allowing me to actually interact with the files within.
- deafpolygon 3y agoFinally. I love the seamless Explorer support.
- samyar 3y ago[dead]
- Thev00d00 3y agoI hope libarchive gets something out of this, at least a nice donation or a t-shirt. Feels like not getting anything in return from giant corporations making billions of dollars is in the spirit of BSD style open source.
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoLarge companies like Microsoft want to add their own bits of code to FOSS projects so they work better in that company's context. if nothing else, the project will receive code contributions.
- anaganisk 3y agoIt's just the side effects of capitalism. Companies don't give a damn about how they are affecting climate and habitats, do we really want to expect them to support FOSS
- gumballindie 3y agoOpen source libraries need to include a clause preventing anyone turning more than X amount in revenue per year or training machine learning from using the code unless they pay a fee.
- gorkish 3y ago/facepalm
- Clamchop 3y agoYour software is now source-available.
- majkinetor 3y agoWhy? I think its perfectly OK for big companies to use FOSS tools without contributing anything. Why do you care? Authors gave it to the world for free or they would use more restrictive licence. If the big company really wants some more stuff in it, they will probably contribute or donate anyway. To me, it seems this is irrelevant methaphysical question that those that don't understand FOSS constantly try to empose. Once you accept money, its a different game, with money comes expectations... If you can't do something for free, and you expect to be payed for everything, you are probably not the one that will advance the field. I admire people that passionatelly do stuff for nothing but pure passion and sence of accomplishment. That is the world I want to live in. Yeah, there are predators, but if you really care about it you can probably create defensive strategy to minimize those chances.
- rolivercoffee 3y agoI really hope this includes being able to use AES encryption.
- mazidodo 3y agoNobody wants you to use any encryption, let alone good encryption.
- Alifatisk 3y agoI’m slowly shifting to zstd and it is installable with 7z!
- signal11 3y ago> You now can get improved performance of archive functionality during compression on Windows. This will be interesting to test. When I last tried this on Windows 10, 7-zip beat Windows handily at decompressing large zip files.
- tinus_hn 3y agoHow long until they succumb to the temptation and now that they have embraced these formats start extending them?
- Havoc 3y agoThat seems like a great step forward in usability
- tssva 3y agoI assume this means new integration with the Windows shell since Microsoft has provided cli support since the December 2017 preview build of Windows 10 by shipping libarchive and bsdtar with Windows.
- anjel 3y agoAs .Ogg and .Opus continue to get the cold shoulder from windows "explorer"
- sebbu 3y agoeven .webp isn't natively supported (i mean, by microsoft photos and windows photo viewer)
- anaganisk 3y agoFunny how just by renaming the extension to JPEG it works.
- vitorgrs 3y agoWindows supports it fine. https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9N5TDP8VCMHS https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9N5TDP8VCMHS
- landgenoot 3y agoThat's nice, because my WinRAR 40-day trial is about to expire.
- dengolius 3y agomeh, they forgot to add zst and lz4..