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Why would you say that is, or why do you think so? I would argue Rust is definitely suited towards small companies and individuals for a lot of projects that C

by _rs 3y ago

Why would you say that is, or why do you think so? I would argue Rust is definitely suited towards small companies and individuals for a lot of projects that C/C++ would’ve been used for before, even things like small audio units or plugins

howinteresting 3y ago
Rust has many design features that make it work well for larger teams.
- culi 3y ago
  Well that's not saying much. So does TypeScript. Those features that make it suitable for larger teams also make it a solid choice for smaller teams. It's hard to imagine a feature that benefits a large team much more than would benefit a smaller team but I'm open to an argument
  - howinteresting 3y ago
    The benefits of making illegal states unrepresentable, providing safe abstractions over unsafe boundaries, and high-quality built-in documentation scale quite nonlinearly to large teams is all.
Turskarama 3y ago
While true, the majority of development doesn't happen in systems languages but generally in garbage collected languages.
whatyesaid 3y ago
Jonathan Blow puts it as the "cost of experimentation being too high" which I would agree with. Generally, as an individual or small group the limiting factor for you at times becomes time. Sort of the philosophy where you design by programming instead of whiteboard or clearcut stuff. Less flexible design but more automatic correctness is worth it for big companies because projects involve millions of lines of code and thousands of people over the lifecycle. It's sort of like writing microservices when you're an one man shop. The correct philosophy is monolith first - until you're doing something useful, don't obsess that much. If you've got a clear vision of each project, or perhaps it's a larger scale project more similar to those in big tech, then perhaps Rust is best. But those kinds of projects typically don't even need C++/Rust. I use C++ for high performance experimental software. I would like a C++ replacement also though, maybe through a design like Carbon where it's built above it. You could also then do stuff like making the borrow checker optional and with parts of the program instead, as a sort of finalization refactor. Combining the best of both worlds.
nsajko 3y ago
Rust tries to be foolproof.

by _rs 3y ago

howinteresting 3y ago

Rust has many design features that make it work well for larger teams.

culi 3y ago
Well that's not saying much. So does TypeScript. Those features that make it suitable for larger teams also make it a solid choice for smaller teams. It's hard to imagine a feature that benefits a large team much more than would benefit a smaller team but I'm open to an argument
- howinteresting 3y ago
  The benefits of making illegal states unrepresentable, providing safe abstractions over unsafe boundaries, and high-quality built-in documentation scale quite nonlinearly to large teams is all.

Turskarama 3y ago

While true, the majority of development doesn't happen in systems languages but generally in garbage collected languages.

whatyesaid 3y ago

Jonathan Blow puts it as the "cost of experimentation being too high" which I would agree with. Generally, as an individual or small group the limiting factor for you at times becomes time. Sort of the philosophy where you design by programming instead of whiteboard or clearcut stuff. Less flexible design but more automatic correctness is worth it for big companies because projects involve millions of lines of code and thousands of people over the lifecycle. It's sort of like writing microservices when you're an one man shop. The correct philosophy is monolith first - until you're doing something useful, don't obsess that much. If you've got a clear vision of each project, or perhaps it's a larger scale project more similar to those in big tech, then perhaps Rust is best. But those kinds of projects typically don't even need C++/Rust. I use C++ for high performance experimental software. I would like a C++ replacement also though, maybe through a design like Carbon where it's built above it. You could also then do stuff like making the borrow checker optional and with parts of the program instead, as a sort of finalization refactor. Combining the best of both worlds.

nsajko 3y ago

Rust tries to be foolproof.