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I could imagine that we will probably be checking generated code for correcteness while integrating larger parts of generated code. And due to the sheer complex

I could imagine that we will probably be checking generated code for correcteness while integrating larger parts of generated code. And due to the sheer complexity will need an en engineering understanding to make it all work. I’m excited for that, because it means I can do more with my time. But I also understand how that is not everyone’s cup of tea. > Unless, of course, you want to be a software engineer. It’s time to adapt to a changing world.

JohnFen 3y ago
> I could imagine that we will probably be checking generated code for correcteness while integrating larger parts of generated code. So we're all to become systems integrators? I'm genuinely happy that excites you. Personally, I find the prospect depressing. > It’s time to adapt to a changing world. How do you adapt to no longer being able to do what you love to do? Saying "it's time to adapt" doesn't address the fundamental issue here at all. Obviously, we have to adapt. The question is how to do that and, if happiness is no longer on the table, at least be able to maintain some amount of career satisfaction. If I can't write software, then my career as a dev is over, no?
- dudeofea 3y ago
  learn to co....oh
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    D'oh. That one really didn't age well, did it?
- flangola7 3y ago
  You'll get the same answer the Luddites did over a century ago: crickets
- the_only_law 3y ago
  > How do you adapt to no longer being able to do what you love to do? Saying "it's time to adapt" doesn't address the fundamental issue here at all. Obviously, we have to adapt. The question is how to do that and, if happiness is no longer on the table, at least be able to maintain some amount of career satisfaction. Forget “love” how are we supposed to adapt when jobs seem to be increasingly specialized requiring ridiculous education costs and companies don’t want to train people anymore.
- JieJie 3y ago
  Interestingly, this is what a lot of coal miners in West Virginia feel, too. Humans gotta realize that we are all replaceable. What happens to the least of us, happens to us all. Whatever we do about this AI stuff? We should do it for everything else, too. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/west-virginia-coal-industry-grapples-impact-climate-crisis-rcna2397 https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/west-virginia-co...
  - gwoolhurme 3y ago
    When I made this comparison I was trashed in the comments. Not at the hyperbole of it (I don't think it is), that they are in poverty now while we are not. That we should have saved money. Which, shocker, not all of us work in California with those salaries... At this point as a SWE my only goal is to try and find IT employment to support loved ones and keep my visa till I get permanent residence. Fuck everything, just survive at this point. I loved programming, if that is ripped from me, then survive is all I want to do. That or jump in front of a train.
    - fbrncci 3y ago
      Damn, how do people have such a bleak outlook. While I cannot see anything but amazing things ahead for me as a engineer/programmer.
      - gwoolhurme 3y ago
        I don't mean to be so dark... it is just I get so worried about the future. It might be age, it might be that i clawed my way to a tiny bit of stability. Things could be great, I actually have seen you in a few threads and you always say the same thing that you love programming because you can focus on global ideas now. That to me sounds fun too. I like both. I am just worried you need less of those people which means more unemployment. For me when I say programming is ripped from me I mean it in all sense of the word.
        JieJie 3y ago
- fbrncci 3y ago
  I do not know the answer to your question, since for me programming has become a lot more enjoyable being able to throw outputs of LLM's together and then being the glue in between with my expertise. Coming from my perspective, going back would throw me into a career with prospects which I started to lose passion for. Doing the same thing over and over again, spending weeks on stuff I have already solved many times over in different flavors, frameworks and languages. I understand that some engineers/developers struggle with this change, but it also seems to be a personal take on ground breaking changes which are shaking up this career path; which are positive for some, and negative for others. Maybe we are on two different part of the spectrum, because I can't wait to have my job reduced to prompting and building even bigger things. IF it was not that way, I would have been close to a career change. No doubt, these changes will introduce new engineering challenges, which will be equally as exciting and in need of an engineering mindset as the previous paradigms have been.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > I understand that some engineers/developers struggle with this change This isn't an issue of struggling with adapting to change. If it were just a matter of doing my job in a different way, that would be totally fine. This is an issue of seeing the sort of work that I enjoy -- the entire thing that drew me to this career -- evaporate completely. But this all makes me sound more upset than I actually am. I'm very troubled, but I also only have a decade or two left in my career, so I think it's likely that I'll be able to find niche positions where I can keep doing what I love to do. I do worry about younger devs who are in the business for similar reasons as me, though.

JohnFen 3y ago

> I could imagine that we will probably be checking generated code for correcteness while integrating larger parts of generated code. So we're all to become systems integrators? I'm genuinely happy that excites you. Personally, I find the prospect depressing. > It’s time to adapt to a changing world. How do you adapt to no longer being able to do what you love to do? Saying "it's time to adapt" doesn't address the fundamental issue here at all. Obviously, we have to adapt. The question is how to do that and, if happiness is no longer on the table, at least be able to maintain some amount of career satisfaction. If I can't write software, then my career as a dev is over, no?

dudeofea 3y ago
learn to co....oh
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  D'oh. That one really didn't age well, did it?
flangola7 3y ago
You'll get the same answer the Luddites did over a century ago: crickets
the_only_law 3y ago
> How do you adapt to no longer being able to do what you love to do? Saying "it's time to adapt" doesn't address the fundamental issue here at all. Obviously, we have to adapt. The question is how to do that and, if happiness is no longer on the table, at least be able to maintain some amount of career satisfaction. Forget “love” how are we supposed to adapt when jobs seem to be increasingly specialized requiring ridiculous education costs and companies don’t want to train people anymore.
JieJie 3y ago
Interestingly, this is what a lot of coal miners in West Virginia feel, too. Humans gotta realize that we are all replaceable. What happens to the least of us, happens to us all. Whatever we do about this AI stuff? We should do it for everything else, too. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/west-virginia-coal-industry-grapples-impact-climate-crisis-rcna2397 https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/west-virginia-co...
- gwoolhurme 3y ago
  When I made this comparison I was trashed in the comments. Not at the hyperbole of it (I don't think it is), that they are in poverty now while we are not. That we should have saved money. Which, shocker, not all of us work in California with those salaries... At this point as a SWE my only goal is to try and find IT employment to support loved ones and keep my visa till I get permanent residence. Fuck everything, just survive at this point. I loved programming, if that is ripped from me, then survive is all I want to do. That or jump in front of a train.
  - fbrncci 3y ago
    Damn, how do people have such a bleak outlook. While I cannot see anything but amazing things ahead for me as a engineer/programmer.
    - gwoolhurme 3y ago
      I don't mean to be so dark... it is just I get so worried about the future. It might be age, it might be that i clawed my way to a tiny bit of stability. Things could be great, I actually have seen you in a few threads and you always say the same thing that you love programming because you can focus on global ideas now. That to me sounds fun too. I like both. I am just worried you need less of those people which means more unemployment. For me when I say programming is ripped from me I mean it in all sense of the word.
      - JieJie 3y ago
fbrncci 3y ago
I do not know the answer to your question, since for me programming has become a lot more enjoyable being able to throw outputs of LLM's together and then being the glue in between with my expertise. Coming from my perspective, going back would throw me into a career with prospects which I started to lose passion for. Doing the same thing over and over again, spending weeks on stuff I have already solved many times over in different flavors, frameworks and languages. I understand that some engineers/developers struggle with this change, but it also seems to be a personal take on ground breaking changes which are shaking up this career path; which are positive for some, and negative for others. Maybe we are on two different part of the spectrum, because I can't wait to have my job reduced to prompting and building even bigger things. IF it was not that way, I would have been close to a career change. No doubt, these changes will introduce new engineering challenges, which will be equally as exciting and in need of an engineering mindset as the previous paradigms have been.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > I understand that some engineers/developers struggle with this change This isn't an issue of struggling with adapting to change. If it were just a matter of doing my job in a different way, that would be totally fine. This is an issue of seeing the sort of work that I enjoy -- the entire thing that drew me to this career -- evaporate completely. But this all makes me sound more upset than I actually am. I'm very troubled, but I also only have a decade or two left in my career, so I think it's likely that I'll be able to find niche positions where I can keep doing what I love to do. I do worry about younger devs who are in the business for similar reasons as me, though.