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That was the prior research and hypothesis, which the article claims this new finding supercedes, moving it back an additional 1000 years. Also the new researc

That was the prior research and hypothesis, which the article claims this new finding supercedes, moving it back an additional 1000 years. Also the new research doesn't claim that's when it started, it's just the earliest record. It even mentions further down that kissing is seen in primates, suggesting that humans have potentially always kissed. (It of course just took us a while to develop art and preservation thereof enough that we could both record it and have that recording survive to the current day).

ComplexSystems 3y ago
It does seem to claim that's when it started, and attributes an increase in the spread of HSV to the introduction of kissing.
- SiempreViernes 3y ago
  No, the linked article is a summary of another article written to contradict the earlier researchers that made the claim about HSV spread being connected to the practice of kissing.
  - vlovich123 3y ago
    Yeah. I find it far more likely that HSV just emerged to transmit through kissing like Monkey Pox virus or HIV just “spontaneously” came about as an STI that could take advantage of existing human sex practices. I find it unlikely that a new human behavior is going to suddenly transmit a new disease. Humans naturally tend to quarantine such behaviors that directly spread disease in this way.
vlovich123 3y ago
Earliest surviving record. Evolution takes a very very long time. I’d take a bet (if we had a magical oracle) that likely some people have been recording their kissing and/or sexual exploits for a very very long time. Technology changes the expression but not really so much the message, sentiment, or desires. > An ancient wine jug depicting a customer and a sex worker (a money pouch is hanging on the wall) dated between 480 and 470 B.C.E. Greece. Sure more recent but that’s because things from Ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt survived. Most of the other stuff from more ancient civilizations just didn’t. Do we really think humans spontaneously decided 4k years ago “hey I like this sex thing - maybe I should write it down”? > A clay plaque depicting a couple copulating. Old Babylonian Period, 2nd millennium B.C.E. Mesopotamia (Iraq). https://allthatsinteresting.com/erotic-art https://allthatsinteresting.com/erotic-art

ComplexSystems 3y ago

It does seem to claim that's when it started, and attributes an increase in the spread of HSV to the introduction of kissing.

SiempreViernes 3y ago
No, the linked article is a summary of another article written to contradict the earlier researchers that made the claim about HSV spread being connected to the practice of kissing.
- vlovich123 3y ago
  Yeah. I find it far more likely that HSV just emerged to transmit through kissing like Monkey Pox virus or HIV just “spontaneously” came about as an STI that could take advantage of existing human sex practices. I find it unlikely that a new human behavior is going to suddenly transmit a new disease. Humans naturally tend to quarantine such behaviors that directly spread disease in this way.

vlovich123 3y ago

Earliest surviving record. Evolution takes a very very long time. I’d take a bet (if we had a magical oracle) that likely some people have been recording their kissing and/or sexual exploits for a very very long time. Technology changes the expression but not really so much the message, sentiment, or desires. > An ancient wine jug depicting a customer and a sex worker (a money pouch is hanging on the wall) dated between 480 and 470 B.C.E. Greece. Sure more recent but that’s because things from Ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt survived. Most of the other stuff from more ancient civilizations just didn’t. Do we really think humans spontaneously decided 4k years ago “hey I like this sex thing - maybe I should write it down”? > A clay plaque depicting a couple copulating. Old Babylonian Period, 2nd millennium B.C.E. Mesopotamia (Iraq). https://allthatsinteresting.com/erotic-art https://allthatsinteresting.com/erotic-art