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I can understand being this careful with young children's usage of a device but giving teenagers zero privacy (to the extent of going through their personal mes

I can understand being this careful with young children's usage of a device but giving teenagers zero privacy (to the extent of going through their personal messages) seems wild to me.

foobarian 3y ago
This is how you raise a generation that thinks intrusive monitoring and zero privacy is perfectly normal, or even worse craves it.
- yamtaddle 3y ago
  Maybe it's how you raise a generation that understands you shouldn't post a single thing online that you don't want the whole world to know about. Prior generations have entirely failed to understand that, certainly (cf. Zuckerberg's infamous "dumb fucks" comment—which, go figure, we know about because he sent it as an instant message)
  - foobarian 3y ago
    Funny thing is (IIRC) he sent it over IRC, which as far as these things go is relatively ephemeral :-)
    - yamtaddle 3y ago
      Ha, yeah, reinforces the idea that if you don't have crazy-good opsec you better not post anything online—including in places as relatively-safe as IRC or direct messages—that you don't want in the newspaper, with your name next to it.
      - foobarian 3y ago
        I still cringe at the immature garbage we did in college over telnet and unsecured NIS/Ethernet Unix boxes not questioning whether anyone was recording packet traces for posterity. Luckily disk space was super expensive back then. :-)
  - fn-mote 3y ago
    > Maybe it's how you raise a generation that understands you shouldn't post a single thing online that you don't want the whole world to know about. I can assure you that this has not been the result of whatever is going on at home. Getting teenagers to care about their online privacy is like pulling teeth. I think this might be because they get so much positive reinforcement from sharing what they are doing on social-media-platform-Z.
yumraj 3y ago
> but giving teenagers zero privacy (to the extent of going through their personal messages) seems wild to me. Why? Teenagers are kids too, or have we forgotten that? They are actually worse than kids in some respect, still immature but with changing body and new hormones. It may seem weird to them at this time, but hopefully they’ll appreciate when they grow older - or even if not, at least one did what they could.
- slothtrop 3y ago
  Teenagers also want and value privacy. Or have you forgotten what it's like?
  - yumraj 3y ago
    > Or have you forgotten what it's like? We're simply talking privacy in the digital context. When I was a teenager the world looked different so I had N/A for digital privacy.
    - slothtrop 3y ago
      > the world looked different You're justifying invasion of privacy with vagueries about "the world being different". This isn't saying anything. Growing up in the 90s we had a home computer, and by extension, digital privacy.
      - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
        Another way to think of privacy (adult-free zone) is The Place Where The Critical Stuff Is Learned.
- yamazakiwi 3y ago
  My Parents gave me no privacy when I was a teenager. Guess what I learned? I learned that it was easier to lie and hide who I was than to be honest. I got better at lying and deceiving because it was a necessity. It was easy to get around their rules eventually; after all, I was a child with unlimited time and desperation to live my way. None of the children in my family talk to my parents anymore and most left home before 18.

I can understand being this careful with young children's usage of a device but giving teenagers zero privacy (to the extent of going through their personal messages) seems wild to me.

foobarian 3y ago

This is how you raise a generation that thinks intrusive monitoring and zero privacy is perfectly normal, or even worse craves it.

yamtaddle 3y ago
Maybe it's how you raise a generation that understands you shouldn't post a single thing online that you don't want the whole world to know about. Prior generations have entirely failed to understand that, certainly (cf. Zuckerberg's infamous "dumb fucks" comment—which, go figure, we know about because he sent it as an instant message)
- foobarian 3y ago
  Funny thing is (IIRC) he sent it over IRC, which as far as these things go is relatively ephemeral :-)
  - yamtaddle 3y ago
    Ha, yeah, reinforces the idea that if you don't have crazy-good opsec you better not post anything online—including in places as relatively-safe as IRC or direct messages—that you don't want in the newspaper, with your name next to it.
    - foobarian 3y ago
      I still cringe at the immature garbage we did in college over telnet and unsecured NIS/Ethernet Unix boxes not questioning whether anyone was recording packet traces for posterity. Luckily disk space was super expensive back then. :-)
- fn-mote 3y ago
  > Maybe it's how you raise a generation that understands you shouldn't post a single thing online that you don't want the whole world to know about. I can assure you that this has not been the result of whatever is going on at home. Getting teenagers to care about their online privacy is like pulling teeth. I think this might be because they get so much positive reinforcement from sharing what they are doing on social-media-platform-Z.

yumraj 3y ago

> but giving teenagers zero privacy (to the extent of going through their personal messages) seems wild to me. Why? Teenagers are kids too, or have we forgotten that? They are actually worse than kids in some respect, still immature but with changing body and new hormones. It may seem weird to them at this time, but hopefully they’ll appreciate when they grow older - or even if not, at least one did what they could.

slothtrop 3y ago
Teenagers also want and value privacy. Or have you forgotten what it's like?
- yumraj 3y ago
  > Or have you forgotten what it's like? We're simply talking privacy in the digital context. When I was a teenager the world looked different so I had N/A for digital privacy.
  - slothtrop 3y ago
    > the world looked different You're justifying invasion of privacy with vagueries about "the world being different". This isn't saying anything. Growing up in the 90s we had a home computer, and by extension, digital privacy.
    - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
      Another way to think of privacy (adult-free zone) is The Place Where The Critical Stuff Is Learned.
yamazakiwi 3y ago
My Parents gave me no privacy when I was a teenager. Guess what I learned? I learned that it was easier to lie and hide who I was than to be honest. I got better at lying and deceiving because it was a necessity. It was easy to get around their rules eventually; after all, I was a child with unlimited time and desperation to live my way. None of the children in my family talk to my parents anymore and most left home before 18.