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Yes. It is by far the easiest way to make a nice looking cross platform app. If you can't handle the extra RAM you are always welcome to use the CLI

intelVISA 3y ago
Only thing I can't handle is how Red Hat, with its bllions, can't afford a few extra dollars for user-respecting, secure native GUIs.
- ragnese 3y ago
  I hate Electron apps, too, but I've not heard people complain about security before. What's the security problem with Electron apps? I understand that you're basically running a Node.js instance for each app, but why is that more insecure than running, say, a GTK app? Since GTK and Node.js are written in C and C++, respectively, my gut instinct would be to assume they're equally likely to have security bugs.
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Quick search https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=17824&product_id=44696&version_id=0&page=1&hasexp=0&opdos=0&opec=0&opov=0&opcsrf=0&opgpriv=0&opsqli=0&opxss=0&opdirt=0&opmemc=0&ophttprs=0&opbyp=0&opfileinc=0&opginf=0&cvssscoremin=0&cvssscoremax=0&year=0&month=0&cweid=0&order=1&trc=15&sha=d8dc7cad32c3a3f97ca3be583aef8b6ab5a03858 https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=...
  - cjbprime 3y ago
    The difference is that no-one would load remote-user-supplied C++ code at runtime and expect it not to result in vulnerability, but people remotely source JS, or allow remote-user-supplied HTML to interact with their JS, and the stakes are higher than they would be in a web browser, because Node (and therefore Electron) has APIs to e.g. read and write to your filesystem and browsers have sandboxes to block that. (Electron offers sandboxing too, but you're likely to actually want to use the OS features so it's not as simple as always disallowing the access.)
stonogo 3y ago
Why does a linux-only tool need a cross-platform app?
- ccmcarey 3y ago
  It's not linux only? Podman desktop runs on Windows (I'm using it right now) and Mac
  - klabb3 3y ago
    Even if it were Linux only, it’s not like GUI and application bundling is standardized across distros.
    - viraptor 3y ago
      It effectively is if you're ready to ship your dependencies. If you're happy to depend on major versions that come with the system, qt isn't bad either.
pjmlp 3y ago
https://www.qt.io/product/ui-design-tools https://www.qt.io/product/ui-design-tools Depends on how much one actually bothers to look around.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  Buying specialized tool, hiring C++ UI devs just to create your average HTML page and make a couple of snob tech-bros happy, great investment.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    When one goes free, it gets the quality they deserve. I guess anything goes helping Google to spread Chrome all over the place, it gives them a warm feeling.
    - dustypotato 3y ago
      Chromium is open source
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        And?
    - wiseowise 3y ago
      Not sure what you meant by your first sentence, but if I understand correctly - you’re just proving my point.
  - bjconlan 3y ago
    s/C++ UI/React/ The statement still holds. This one is just the status quo
    - wiseowise 3y ago
      Tooling for React is miles ahead of anything C++ UI related while being “free” and free.
robertoandred 3y ago
I wouldn't call Electron apps nice looking. They always stand out like a sore thumb, being slow and non-native.

intelVISA 3y ago

Only thing I can't handle is how Red Hat, with its bllions, can't afford a few extra dollars for user-respecting, secure native GUIs.

ragnese 3y ago
I hate Electron apps, too, but I've not heard people complain about security before. What's the security problem with Electron apps? I understand that you're basically running a Node.js instance for each app, but why is that more insecure than running, say, a GTK app? Since GTK and Node.js are written in C and C++, respectively, my gut instinct would be to assume they're equally likely to have security bugs.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  Quick search https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=17824&product_id=44696&version_id=0&page=1&hasexp=0&opdos=0&opec=0&opov=0&opcsrf=0&opgpriv=0&opsqli=0&opxss=0&opdirt=0&opmemc=0&ophttprs=0&opbyp=0&opfileinc=0&opginf=0&cvssscoremin=0&cvssscoremax=0&year=0&month=0&cweid=0&order=1&trc=15&sha=d8dc7cad32c3a3f97ca3be583aef8b6ab5a03858 https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=...
- cjbprime 3y ago
  The difference is that no-one would load remote-user-supplied C++ code at runtime and expect it not to result in vulnerability, but people remotely source JS, or allow remote-user-supplied HTML to interact with their JS, and the stakes are higher than they would be in a web browser, because Node (and therefore Electron) has APIs to e.g. read and write to your filesystem and browsers have sandboxes to block that. (Electron offers sandboxing too, but you're likely to actually want to use the OS features so it's not as simple as always disallowing the access.)

stonogo 3y ago

Why does a linux-only tool need a cross-platform app?

ccmcarey 3y ago
It's not linux only? Podman desktop runs on Windows (I'm using it right now) and Mac
- klabb3 3y ago
  Even if it were Linux only, it’s not like GUI and application bundling is standardized across distros.
  - viraptor 3y ago
    It effectively is if you're ready to ship your dependencies. If you're happy to depend on major versions that come with the system, qt isn't bad either.

pjmlp 3y ago

https://www.qt.io/product/ui-design-tools https://www.qt.io/product/ui-design-tools Depends on how much one actually bothers to look around.

wiseowise 3y ago
Buying specialized tool, hiring C++ UI devs just to create your average HTML page and make a couple of snob tech-bros happy, great investment.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  When one goes free, it gets the quality they deserve. I guess anything goes helping Google to spread Chrome all over the place, it gives them a warm feeling.
  - dustypotato 3y ago
    Chromium is open source
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      And?
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Not sure what you meant by your first sentence, but if I understand correctly - you’re just proving my point.
- bjconlan 3y ago
  s/C++ UI/React/ The statement still holds. This one is just the status quo
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Tooling for React is miles ahead of anything C++ UI related while being “free” and free.

robertoandred 3y ago

I wouldn't call Electron apps nice looking. They always stand out like a sore thumb, being slow and non-native.