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Can an iPad run Live?

pier25 3y ago
Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  I believe it. They could also update Live to support the Tesla Model X, since it has an x86 Linux computer inside too. It's a lot of work though. And the pay sucks, especially on iPad/iOS where Apple refuses to let you make a profit without letting them take a bite. On MacOS it's a sustainable practice, but unless Apple changes something architecturally I wouldn't anticipate Live coming to iOS anytime soon. At least any sooner than Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally.
  - brokenmachine 3y ago
    >Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally. By the grace of the flying spaghetti monster, please let this be true... Ableton is the last program stopping me from leaving Windows behind.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. And it wouldn't have pads, dedicated dials, MIDI, inputs and outputs, MPE, and everything else. It would be just a big screen with a iPad-like touch UI. So nothing like this.
  - pier25 3y ago
    I never meant for the iPad to replace the controller. Just the computer part.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      Well, but the comparison was for it as a substitute for (or better value than) Push. Well, as we conclude here, Push does something different.
  - sssilver 3y ago
    iPad does MIDI. You can do Bluetooth MIDI and if you want cables you can buy a dongle.
    - seanp2k2 3y ago
      If anyone’s interested, the Oxi One is pretty awesome for sequencing bluetooth gear as well as midi and CV devices. I didn’t have super high hopes as it was a Kickstarter device, but they’ve surprised me by continually updating it, and it’s a pretty fantastic machine now.
nr2x 3y ago
As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  Does Logic Pro support controller extensions? If they do, they could add "support" with an unofficial plugin like Bitwig or Reaper does. Something tells me the iPad+Push experience wouldn't really be a gamechanger though, at least right now.
  - nr2x 3y ago
    Agree, I think it will be limited. However, I could see a niche where it’s a good way to play your tracks live. Maybe you’d have to bounce some tracks in advance if they aren’t iOS compatible for whatever reason.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      I want to interpret this charitably, but I've travelled with touring musicians before (even Mac-obsessed ones) and none of their setups are iPad-ible. You might be able to get it to work with a 1i1o DAC for clean audio output, but... genuinely nobody I know would bother with that. The requirements for live performance are brutal, even this standalone Push would be borderline suicide to rely on for a show.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference. For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.
  - nr2x 3y ago
    I haven’t used it on iPad yet, I meant in regards to desktop. Biggest issue on iPad is lack of device drivers. Class Compliant audio only gets you so far.
sayrer 3y ago
Not right now, but they have an app called Note: https://www.ableton.com/en/note/ https://www.ableton.com/en/note/

Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.

smoldesu 3y ago
I believe it. They could also update Live to support the Tesla Model X, since it has an x86 Linux computer inside too. It's a lot of work though. And the pay sucks, especially on iPad/iOS where Apple refuses to let you make a profit without letting them take a bite. On MacOS it's a sustainable practice, but unless Apple changes something architecturally I wouldn't anticipate Live coming to iOS anytime soon. At least any sooner than Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally.
- brokenmachine 3y ago
  >Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally. By the grace of the flying spaghetti monster, please let this be true... Ableton is the last program stopping me from leaving Windows behind.
coldtea 3y ago
>Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. And it wouldn't have pads, dedicated dials, MIDI, inputs and outputs, MPE, and everything else. It would be just a big screen with a iPad-like touch UI. So nothing like this.
- pier25 3y ago
  I never meant for the iPad to replace the controller. Just the computer part.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Well, but the comparison was for it as a substitute for (or better value than) Push. Well, as we conclude here, Push does something different.
- sssilver 3y ago
  iPad does MIDI. You can do Bluetooth MIDI and if you want cables you can buy a dongle.
  - seanp2k2 3y ago
    If anyone’s interested, the Oxi One is pretty awesome for sequencing bluetooth gear as well as midi and CV devices. I didn’t have super high hopes as it was a Kickstarter device, but they’ve surprised me by continually updating it, and it’s a pretty fantastic machine now.

nr2x 3y ago

As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

smoldesu 3y ago
Does Logic Pro support controller extensions? If they do, they could add "support" with an unofficial plugin like Bitwig or Reaper does. Something tells me the iPad+Push experience wouldn't really be a gamechanger though, at least right now.
- nr2x 3y ago
  Agree, I think it will be limited. However, I could see a niche where it’s a good way to play your tracks live. Maybe you’d have to bounce some tracks in advance if they aren’t iOS compatible for whatever reason.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    I want to interpret this charitably, but I've travelled with touring musicians before (even Mac-obsessed ones) and none of their setups are iPad-ible. You might be able to get it to work with a 1i1o DAC for clean audio output, but... genuinely nobody I know would bother with that. The requirements for live performance are brutal, even this standalone Push would be borderline suicide to rely on for a show.
coldtea 3y ago
>The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference. For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.
- nr2x 3y ago
  I haven’t used it on iPad yet, I meant in regards to desktop. Biggest issue on iPad is lack of device drivers. Class Compliant audio only gets you so far.

sayrer 3y ago

Not right now, but they have an app called Note: https://www.ableton.com/en/note/ https://www.ableton.com/en/note/