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I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which dr

• smoldesu 3y ago
  Can an iPad run Live?
  • pier25 3y ago
    Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.
    • smoldesu 3y ago
      I believe it. They could also update Live to support the Tesla Model X, since it has an x86 Linux computer inside too. It's a lot of work though. And the pay sucks, especially on iPad/iOS where Apple refuses to let you make a profit without letting them take a bite. On MacOS it's a sustainable practice, but unless Apple changes something architecturally I wouldn't anticipate Live coming to iOS anytime soon. At least any sooner than Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally.
      • brokenmachine 3y ago
        >Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally. By the grace of the flying spaghetti monster, please let this be true... Ableton is the last program stopping me from leaving Windows behind.
    • coldtea 3y ago
      >Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. And it wouldn't have pads, dedicated dials, MIDI, inputs and outputs, MPE, and everything else. It would be just a big screen with a iPad-like touch UI. So nothing like this.
      • pier25 3y ago
        I never meant for the iPad to replace the controller. Just the computer part.
        • coldtea 3y ago
          Well, but the comparison was for it as a substitute for (or better value than) Push. Well, as we conclude here, Push does something different.
      • sssilver 3y ago
        iPad does MIDI. You can do Bluetooth MIDI and if you want cables you can buy a dongle.
        • seanp2k2 3y ago
          If anyone’s interested, the Oxi One is pretty awesome for sequencing bluetooth gear as well as midi and CV devices. I didn’t have super high hopes as it was a Kickstarter device, but they’ve surprised me by continually updating it, and it’s a pretty fantastic machine now.
  • nr2x 3y ago
    As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.
    • smoldesu 3y ago
      Does Logic Pro support controller extensions? If they do, they could add "support" with an unofficial plugin like Bitwig or Reaper does. Something tells me the iPad+Push experience wouldn't really be a gamechanger though, at least right now.
      • nr2x 3y ago
        Agree, I think it will be limited. However, I could see a niche where it’s a good way to play your tracks live. Maybe you’d have to bounce some tracks in advance if they aren’t iOS compatible for whatever reason.
        • smoldesu 3y ago
          I want to interpret this charitably, but I've travelled with touring musicians before (even Mac-obsessed ones) and none of their setups are iPad-ible. You might be able to get it to work with a 1i1o DAC for clean audio output, but... genuinely nobody I know would bother with that. The requirements for live performance are brutal, even this standalone Push would be borderline suicide to rely on for a show.
    • coldtea 3y ago
      >The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference. For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.
      • nr2x 3y ago
        I haven’t used it on iPad yet, I meant in regards to desktop. Biggest issue on iPad is lack of device drivers. Class Compliant audio only gets you so far.
  • sayrer 3y ago
    Not right now, but they have an app called Note: https://www.ableton.com/en/note/ https://www.ableton.com/en/note/
• coldtea 3y ago
  >For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a Live controller and as a standalone performance sequencer/drum machine/instrument.
  • visarga 3y ago
    you remember individual comments from 15 years ago?
    • nemo1618 3y ago
      It's a rather notorious HN comment, pretty much our equivalent of "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."
      • coldtea 3y ago
        Wow, I had forgotten about that! Could just as well replace it here :)
    • dingnuts 3y ago
      That one in particular is somewhat famous and gets trotted out as an example of a bad, wrong take, highly upvoted and missing the point of the product because the audience here is so technical they can barely perceive normal users' problems It's sort of ironic now, though, because Dropbox has not been doing very well the last few years, because their product wasn't novel enough to compete with the better-integrated solutions from Microsoft, Apple, and Google that Dropbox inspired
      • coldtea 3y ago
        >It's sort of ironic now, though, because Dropbox has not been doing very well the last few years Yes, but not for the reasons that famous comment thought it wouldn't (people ...trivially rolling their own with Linux+FTP+SVN or whatever). If anything, for the opposite reasons: because even more turnkey/integrated solutions than Dropbox became available as you say. Which makes that comment appear even more off now! (Of course the point of that comment was already obliterated when Dropbox turned on to become a multi-billion worth company, even if it's "not doing very well" 15+ years after the comment was made. We could only wish we have that kind of "failure"!).
• squarefoot 3y ago
  > For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro Swap real pads and knobs for a touch screen? No thanks, even if they would give it to me for free. Not judging Ableton stuff prices, and I'm also not into this kind of devices (aside my Korg Padkontrol) because as a prog rock wannabe musician I would probably have little use for them, but when using electronic instruments, nothing comes close to real things you can manipulate, read state, and get tactile feedback from. Touch screens can look indeed cool, but they're way behind real controls when it comes to input capabilities.
  • pier25 3y ago
    I only meant the computer part, not the controller.
    • colanderman 3y ago
      As an electronic musician, I will gladly pay a premium for any device that reduces the number of boxes and wires I have to set up at every gig. (As well as reduce the number of things I have to turn on, which might decide not to turn on.)
      • pier25 3y ago
        Is redundancy when touring something you value as well?
        • colanderman 3y ago
          I don't tour, only gig locally, so redundancy of anything > $15 isn't worth it. But when you have 20 minutes to set up, 10 minutes to tear down and no roadies, not having an additional device + stand + power + MIDI + audio cables to mess with / trip over / forget is worth spending money on. If I did tour, yes, I would want backup equipment where feasible.
• rewgs 3y ago
  This is...completely missing the point. It honestly blows my mind how often exemplars of the Dunning-Kruger effect make it to the top on HN. You know that feeling you get as a programmer watching, like, two people code on the same keyboard on CSI or whatever? That's the feeling anyone with expertise in a domain other than programming gets when reading comments on HN regarding said domain. The most fundamental appeal of the Push is that it is a very nicely-integrated hardware controller, and -- this is the big thing -- has physical knobs, buttons, pads, etc, a massive selling point to loads and loads and loads of musicians. An iPad by definition lacks the latter, and will never approach the integration of the Push no matter how much work you put into whichever controller app you're using (TouchOSC, etc). And that's even before you consider the fact that the Push also doubles as an audio interface. Literally no one in the Push's audience is looking to replace/upgrade the Push's hardware. No one cares what CPU it has. I'm honestly surprised that Ableton published the specs, because it just doesn't matter. It's not a "computer" (even though, yes, technically it is indeed a computer). Depending on which model you buy, its raison d'etre is as an accessory to a computer, more specifically a very specific application; or an appliance designed to run one app and one app only. You might as well be saying that you'd rather buy an iPad over a Tesla because the iPad has a better CPU.
  • pier25 3y ago
    Obviously I meant replacing the computer part with an iPad, not the controller. > No one cares what CPU it has Good luck running a dozen instances of Diva if you don't care about the CPU :)
    • rewgs 3y ago
      > Obviously I meant replacing the computer part with an iPad, not the controller. > Good luck running a dozen instances of Diva if you don't care about the CPU Good luck running...most plugins, u-he or otherwise, on an iPad. That said, the question of which plugins will/won't work running directly on the Push is an interesting question. It runs Linux, no? u-he is one of the few "big" plugin devs that supports Linux, but if I had to guess, the standalone Push 3 will run first-party Ableton plugins only.