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Thanks. I submitted two of them. One was auto-flagged so removed it. Will stick with your link to scidev and dailymail for now.

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
> Will stick with your link to scidev and dailymail for now. Why link to dailymail at all? They are in no way a reputable news source. Submitting dailymail links is never a good look. If the story holds up, there will be other sources. "unreliable ... Sensationalism and flat-out fabrication" https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/wikipedia-editors-ban-daily-mail-source-citation-unreliable-mail-online-a7570856.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/wikipedia-editors-ban-dai...
- LinuxBender 3y ago
  They are sensationalist for sure. They are also one of the last sites that will publish stories that TNI tells other publishers to avoid so I am conflicted. In a morbidly funny way the joke scene [1] about tabloids in the movie MIB has in a way become somewhat true. I do wish there was a mirror site that could only archive just the story and leave out the side-pane of sensationalism. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duA5eWjHCjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duA5eWjHCjU
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    What does "TNI" mean in this context?
    - LinuxBender 3y ago
      Trusted News Initiative [1] This is headed up by the Murdoch family of controlling corporations. The Trusted News Initiative (TNI) was set up last year to protect audiences and users from disinformation, particularly around moments of jeopardy, such as elections. The TNI complements existing programmes partners have in place. The partners currently within the TNI are: AP, AFP; BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, European Broadcasting Union (EBU),Facebook, Financial Times, First Draft, Google/YouTube, The Hindu, Microsoft , Reuters, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, Twitter, The Washington Post. The TNI cooperative framework has been jointly developed amongst partners, and relates to only the most serious disinformation, which threatens life or the integrity of the electoral process. This is entirely separate from and does not in any way affect the editorial stance of any partner organization. [1] - https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2020/trusted-news-initiative-vaccine-disinformation https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2020/trusted-news-initiative...
      - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
        > Trusted News... the Murdoch family This does not inspire confidence. But it doesn't make the Daily Mail a bastion of anything worth having. It's just owned by a different reactionary billionaire.
      - hulitu 3y ago
        Thanks for the link. Good to know how propaganda spreads.
        LinuxBender 3y ago
        You're welcome. TNI is only part of the picture. Each government has a department that works with these groups. The US recently officiated one of the groups rather than trying to hide it. [1] [1] - https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3472878-joe-bidens-ministry-of-truth/ https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3472878-joe-bidens-m...
- willcipriano 3y ago
  There is no such thing as a reputable news source. Generally speaking when someone points to a "reputable news source" they are referring to a establishment news source. If a claim is important to you verify it to the best of your ability, otherwise consider all news as opinion. If you have a better one, sure share that. However dismissing entire publication out of hand is how the establishment controls narratives.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    > There is no such thing as a reputable news source. There is no room to say "they're all as bad as each other." There are however disreputable sources, and the daily mail is one of them. See link above.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      This opinion about alternative news sources you have, where did it come from? Perhaps one of those trustworthy news sources or experts you are to never question? By closing yourself off to alternative news sources entirely you are allowing yourself to only consume the mainstream narrative. This is why I push back on dismissals based on the source, don't be so lazy, explain what you think they got wrong without appealing to authority.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
        I ventured no opinion about "alternative news sources" in general, just on the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is not even an "alternative news source" in any way, it's just owned by a different billionaire to the rest. Since you ask, most I don't trust it because of the sensationalism, the nakedly partisan fearmongering, the dumbed-down mean-spirited hate-filled reactionary world-view, the criminal phone hacking, and the habit of stealing images from people's social media and using them without permission, attribution, or payment. Please don't use loaded language like "don't be so lazy", "you are to never question", it's borderline insulting. Especially when using lazy stereotypes about "your opinion comes from mainstream media", which again is a ludicrous defence of the Daily Mail > are allowing yourself to only consume the mainstream narrative. This is tinfoil hat stuff. But sure, go ahead name an "alternative news source" that you think is really good? Let's see what "unbiased" looks like to you.

SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago

> Will stick with your link to scidev and dailymail for now. Why link to dailymail at all? They are in no way a reputable news source. Submitting dailymail links is never a good look. If the story holds up, there will be other sources. "unreliable ... Sensationalism and flat-out fabrication" https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/wikipedia-editors-ban-daily-mail-source-citation-unreliable-mail-online-a7570856.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/wikipedia-editors-ban-dai...

LinuxBender 3y ago
They are sensationalist for sure. They are also one of the last sites that will publish stories that TNI tells other publishers to avoid so I am conflicted. In a morbidly funny way the joke scene [1] about tabloids in the movie MIB has in a way become somewhat true. I do wish there was a mirror site that could only archive just the story and leave out the side-pane of sensationalism. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duA5eWjHCjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duA5eWjHCjU
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  What does "TNI" mean in this context?
  - LinuxBender 3y ago
    Trusted News Initiative [1] This is headed up by the Murdoch family of controlling corporations. The Trusted News Initiative (TNI) was set up last year to protect audiences and users from disinformation, particularly around moments of jeopardy, such as elections. The TNI complements existing programmes partners have in place. The partners currently within the TNI are: AP, AFP; BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, European Broadcasting Union (EBU),Facebook, Financial Times, First Draft, Google/YouTube, The Hindu, Microsoft , Reuters, Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, Twitter, The Washington Post. The TNI cooperative framework has been jointly developed amongst partners, and relates to only the most serious disinformation, which threatens life or the integrity of the electoral process. This is entirely separate from and does not in any way affect the editorial stance of any partner organization. [1] - https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2020/trusted-news-initiative-vaccine-disinformation https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2020/trusted-news-initiative...
    - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
      > Trusted News... the Murdoch family This does not inspire confidence. But it doesn't make the Daily Mail a bastion of anything worth having. It's just owned by a different reactionary billionaire.
    - hulitu 3y ago
      Thanks for the link. Good to know how propaganda spreads.
      - LinuxBender 3y ago
        You're welcome. TNI is only part of the picture. Each government has a department that works with these groups. The US recently officiated one of the groups rather than trying to hide it. [1] [1] - https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3472878-joe-bidens-ministry-of-truth/ https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3472878-joe-bidens-m...
willcipriano 3y ago
There is no such thing as a reputable news source. Generally speaking when someone points to a "reputable news source" they are referring to a establishment news source. If a claim is important to you verify it to the best of your ability, otherwise consider all news as opinion. If you have a better one, sure share that. However dismissing entire publication out of hand is how the establishment controls narratives.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  > There is no such thing as a reputable news source. There is no room to say "they're all as bad as each other." There are however disreputable sources, and the daily mail is one of them. See link above.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    This opinion about alternative news sources you have, where did it come from? Perhaps one of those trustworthy news sources or experts you are to never question? By closing yourself off to alternative news sources entirely you are allowing yourself to only consume the mainstream narrative. This is why I push back on dismissals based on the source, don't be so lazy, explain what you think they got wrong without appealing to authority.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
      I ventured no opinion about "alternative news sources" in general, just on the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is not even an "alternative news source" in any way, it's just owned by a different billionaire to the rest. Since you ask, most I don't trust it because of the sensationalism, the nakedly partisan fearmongering, the dumbed-down mean-spirited hate-filled reactionary world-view, the criminal phone hacking, and the habit of stealing images from people's social media and using them without permission, attribution, or payment. Please don't use loaded language like "don't be so lazy", "you are to never question", it's borderline insulting. Especially when using lazy stereotypes about "your opinion comes from mainstream media", which again is a ludicrous defence of the Daily Mail > are allowing yourself to only consume the mainstream narrative. This is tinfoil hat stuff. But sure, go ahead name an "alternative news source" that you think is really good? Let's see what "unbiased" looks like to you.