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The article states multiple times that harassment, bullying, abuse and general toxicity is affecting science workers in general, but in particular women and min

The article states multiple times that harassment, bullying, abuse and general toxicity is affecting science workers in general, but in particular women and minorities. My post states that said abuses are historically at a low point, especially for those groups, thus can not explain the rise in mental health issues. How exactly does this have "nothing to do with the article"?

BeFlatXIII 3y ago
It's nothing to do with the article because general societal trends may not be relevant within a specific industry.
- pelasaco 3y ago
  But exactly the "general societal trends" are used to make a point, so how it's not related?
pelasaco 3y ago
Your comment has everything to do with the article, but unfortunately, the "it has nothing to do with the article" is one of the issues with Science. To keep my argumentation on topic: Historically, scientists never had a so safe life like today. In the past, scientists used to put their life at stake. Galileo, Copernicus, Turin, Einstein..
- tptacek 3y ago
  Yes, yes, one of the great challenges of modern science is that we're not murdering the scientists anymore.
  - pelasaco 3y ago
    > Yes, yes, one of the great challenges of modern science is that we're not murdering the scientists anymore. I hope that's not how you really understood it and you are just reducing the discussion to a childish level to try to get some points...
- Chris2048 3y ago
  Einstein?
  - pelasaco 3y ago
    "When Hitler came to power in January 1933, Einstein was in California and was almost immediately deprived of his posts in Berlin and his membership of the Prussian Academy of Sciences. His property was seized and his books were burned in public. Einstein never returned to Germany, and signed a letter to President Roosevelt alerting him to the fact that Germany might be developing an atomic weapon. He recommended that the US begin similar research."[1] [1]: https://www.wired.com/2012/06/famous-persecuted-scientists/ https://www.wired.com/2012/06/famous-persecuted-scientists/
    - Chris2048 3y ago
      But Einstein's pursuit of Science wasn't what put him in danger? In fact it might have made it easier to flee?

BeFlatXIII 3y ago

It's nothing to do with the article because general societal trends may not be relevant within a specific industry.

pelasaco 3y ago
But exactly the "general societal trends" are used to make a point, so how it's not related?

pelasaco 3y ago

Your comment has everything to do with the article, but unfortunately, the "it has nothing to do with the article" is one of the issues with Science. To keep my argumentation on topic: Historically, scientists never had a so safe life like today. In the past, scientists used to put their life at stake. Galileo, Copernicus, Turin, Einstein..

tptacek 3y ago
Yes, yes, one of the great challenges of modern science is that we're not murdering the scientists anymore.
- pelasaco 3y ago
  > Yes, yes, one of the great challenges of modern science is that we're not murdering the scientists anymore. I hope that's not how you really understood it and you are just reducing the discussion to a childish level to try to get some points...
Chris2048 3y ago
Einstein?
- pelasaco 3y ago
  "When Hitler came to power in January 1933, Einstein was in California and was almost immediately deprived of his posts in Berlin and his membership of the Prussian Academy of Sciences. His property was seized and his books were burned in public. Einstein never returned to Germany, and signed a letter to President Roosevelt alerting him to the fact that Germany might be developing an atomic weapon. He recommended that the US begin similar research."[1] [1]: https://www.wired.com/2012/06/famous-persecuted-scientists/ https://www.wired.com/2012/06/famous-persecuted-scientists/
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    But Einstein's pursuit of Science wasn't what put him in danger? In fact it might have made it easier to flee?