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In a recent Ezra Klein show interview [1] with social scientist Jean Twenge on the documented rise in teenage depression, Twenge found it correlated with a rise
by jrochkind1 3y ago
In a recent Ezra Klein show interview [1] with social scientist Jean Twenge on the documented rise in teenage depression, Twenge found it correlated with a rise in social media use, but also found that increasing social media use was correlated with fewer hours of in-person social interaction among teens than previous.
While Twenge wanted to talk about both things (and I'm somewhat suspicious of the certainty of her conclusions), I found it pretty thought-provoking to focus on the drop in in-person social interaction as the driver. Social media use can quite likely lead to lower in-person socialization (I do think it's likely causation, and in that direction). And there may be other social factors doing such too. Covid obviously. (note that rise in teen depression trend started well before covid though). Over-protectiveness (for teens) or general fear of risk of "the world"/focus on risk reduction. (They talked about this a bit).
To me it seems pretty clear (just my intuition/perception, not from actual social science) that our society is having a crisis of lack of meaningful relationships/community and lack of feeling of purpose in one's life, and this is leading to depression and anxiety. (As well as possible political disaster). What exactly is causing that lack of meaninful relationships and purpose, and what can be done, is harder. I think the internet is a (large) part of it, but so are other parts of the social/political/economic system.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-jean-twenge.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoIt's everything. Work from home. Self-check-out at the grocery store. Delivery of everything. Telemedicine. Cars instead of walkable neighborhoods or mass transit (or even bicycles). The decline of church attendance. I can't think of one social trend pushing us toward more face-to-face interactions. If it's spanning this many different trends, I think there ought to be some larger thing driving it, but I can't put my finger on what it is.
- jrochkind1 3y agoAgreed with all of your examples. I mean, to me, the larger thing is probably "capitalism", in which increasing amounts of social life are turned into things that can produce profit for a business. Our particular capitalism built on racism doesn't help either, with it's legacy of "we don't want public amenities because we don't want to fund them for THOSE people" and "we're scared to go outside because a lot of people have a lot of reason to wish us harm." (that we built for cars instead of walkable cities or public transit actually has a LOT to do with racism) But people don't love talking about this here. Or rather, they do and they don't. :) In the general socciety, decline of social interaction has probably been a topic of discussion since Robert Putman's 2000 book "Bowling Alone". http://bowlingalone.com/ http://bowlingalone.com/