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Aren't those just the older distributions who are already saddled with their defaults? What are the more recent distributions doing (steamos,popos,..etc)? Dism

Aren't those just the older distributions who are already saddled with their defaults? What are the more recent distributions doing (steamos,popos,..etc)? Dismissing things as "bizzar takes" is a good way to miss very clear signs.

packetlost 3y ago
...????? what? Distros are not saddled with any obligation towards defaults (for DEs at least). Were you not around for the whole Ubuntu + Unity debacle?
- huggingmouth 3y ago
  Doesn't the unity debacle show how hard it is to switch out the desktop default. Anyway, I think looking at the de defaults of newer distributions, especially those established after the gnome 3 disaster might give a more accurate picture about the popularity of the de.
  - taskforcegemini 3y ago
    maybe the issue wasn't switching it, but how canonical implemented it, like many other things they start. and they had even aquihired the compiz creator, if I remember correctly. and compiz was a huge thing, probably the best thing ever to happen to linux desktop
    - DiabloD3 3y ago
      90% of Ubuntu's mistakes are "a little of column A, a little of column B". As in, they sometimes have good ideas, and then just entirely butcher the implementation: either they do it directly (Unity and Mir's in-house development), or they adopt an external source of bad implementations (Redhat's pulseaudio and systemd initiatives; both good ideas on paper, but then just become a thorn in everyone's side for a decade until better alternatives appear ).
      - George83728 3y ago
        In the case of systemd, I think most of the thorns have been ironed out and I don't see a competitor taking over anytime soon. With pulseaudio you're right though, thank goodness for pipewire.
        DiabloD3 3y ago
        Systemd basically became its own in-place rewrite. Theres still a lot of thorns in it, but, for example, Debian's build of it just strips it down to only working parts; everything else is either optional or replaceable with pre-systemd parts.
unmole 3y ago
> Aren't those just the older distributions You mean the most widely used distributions which together account for the overwhelming majority of desktop Linux users? > saddled with their defaults? How exactly is having a default a burden? The niche alternatives you listed also have defaults, just different ones. > Dismissing things as "bizzar takes" is a good way to miss very clear signs. On the other hand, having bizzare takes is a sign of being misinformed.

packetlost 3y ago

...????? what? Distros are not saddled with any obligation towards defaults (for DEs at least). Were you not around for the whole Ubuntu + Unity debacle?

huggingmouth 3y ago
Doesn't the unity debacle show how hard it is to switch out the desktop default. Anyway, I think looking at the de defaults of newer distributions, especially those established after the gnome 3 disaster might give a more accurate picture about the popularity of the de.
- taskforcegemini 3y ago
  maybe the issue wasn't switching it, but how canonical implemented it, like many other things they start. and they had even aquihired the compiz creator, if I remember correctly. and compiz was a huge thing, probably the best thing ever to happen to linux desktop
  - DiabloD3 3y ago
    90% of Ubuntu's mistakes are "a little of column A, a little of column B". As in, they sometimes have good ideas, and then just entirely butcher the implementation: either they do it directly (Unity and Mir's in-house development), or they adopt an external source of bad implementations (Redhat's pulseaudio and systemd initiatives; both good ideas on paper, but then just become a thorn in everyone's side for a decade until better alternatives appear ).
    - George83728 3y ago
      In the case of systemd, I think most of the thorns have been ironed out and I don't see a competitor taking over anytime soon. With pulseaudio you're right though, thank goodness for pipewire.
      - DiabloD3 3y ago
        Systemd basically became its own in-place rewrite. Theres still a lot of thorns in it, but, for example, Debian's build of it just strips it down to only working parts; everything else is either optional or replaceable with pre-systemd parts.

unmole 3y ago

> Aren't those just the older distributions You mean the most widely used distributions which together account for the overwhelming majority of desktop Linux users? > saddled with their defaults? How exactly is having a default a burden? The niche alternatives you listed also have defaults, just different ones. > Dismissing things as "bizzar takes" is a good way to miss very clear signs. On the other hand, having bizzare takes is a sign of being misinformed.