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You're not really defending against competent malicious adults which plan everything in advance. You're defending against angry teens who might decide on doing

You're not really defending against competent malicious adults which plan everything in advance. You're defending against angry teens who might decide on doing it because one day something pushed them over an emotional edge. In that case, just knowing there are security measures to overcome might be enough to make them never try in the first place. You're not defending against rational actor, you're defending against emotional actor and security theatre is effective against emotional actors.

tivert 3y ago
> You're not really defending against competent malicious adults which plan everything in advance. > You're defending against angry teens who might decide on doing it because one day something pushed them over an emotional edge. I thought these scanners were installed (at least originally) mainly because of stuff like gang violence. I'd think a gang member (in their way) would be more like a "rational actor." Also you'd have to differentiate the "smuggling a weapon" from "stabbing." The weapon smuggling part might be rational, but the stabbing itself be emotional and irrational.
zirgs 3y ago
An angry teen can grab a ceramic knife from the kitchen - no need to plan anything. You can also buy them at ordinary grocery stores. I have a few of them in my kitchen as well - they are really great.
akiselev 3y ago
Is there any evidence that’s actually true? Being emotional doesn’t immediately change someone into a brain dead moron especially when someone seethes for a long time before acting. Any would be attacker who knows the security even exists will necessarily plan around it from their first fantasy. Just feels like one of those solutions only we could come up with without actually solving anything. The teen TSA after school special version except with more dead kids.
- lxgr 3y ago
  It’s not a matter of “being emotional”, but rather of emotional awareness and regulation, which people in general, and teenagers in particular, are sometimes not the best at. There are broadly two solutions (to that, not premeditated crimes): Help people to get better at that, and/or minimize situations where actions carried out in a moment can have terrible outcomes. Sometimes, one will be much more effective or feasible than the other; often a combination can work.

tivert 3y ago

> You're not really defending against competent malicious adults which plan everything in advance. > You're defending against angry teens who might decide on doing it because one day something pushed them over an emotional edge. I thought these scanners were installed (at least originally) mainly because of stuff like gang violence. I'd think a gang member (in their way) would be more like a "rational actor." Also you'd have to differentiate the "smuggling a weapon" from "stabbing." The weapon smuggling part might be rational, but the stabbing itself be emotional and irrational.

zirgs 3y ago

An angry teen can grab a ceramic knife from the kitchen - no need to plan anything. You can also buy them at ordinary grocery stores. I have a few of them in my kitchen as well - they are really great.

akiselev 3y ago

Is there any evidence that’s actually true? Being emotional doesn’t immediately change someone into a brain dead moron especially when someone seethes for a long time before acting. Any would be attacker who knows the security even exists will necessarily plan around it from their first fantasy. Just feels like one of those solutions only we could come up with without actually solving anything. The teen TSA after school special version except with more dead kids.

lxgr 3y ago
It’s not a matter of “being emotional”, but rather of emotional awareness and regulation, which people in general, and teenagers in particular, are sometimes not the best at. There are broadly two solutions (to that, not premeditated crimes): Help people to get better at that, and/or minimize situations where actions carried out in a moment can have terrible outcomes. Sometimes, one will be much more effective or feasible than the other; often a combination can work.