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OTOH, the HipChap loco is awfully close to Apple's original iChat icon: http://www.google.com/search?q=ichat+icon&num=20&hl=en&&rls=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u

OTOH, the HipChap loco is awfully close to Apple's original iChat icon: http://www.google.com/search?q=ichat+icon&num=20&hl=en&&rls=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=xZI-T4rKEeXl0QGm_-XvBw&ved=0CDAQsAQ&biw=1156&bih=932 http://www.google.com/search?q=ichat+icon&num=20&hl=... In fact, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of diversity when it comes to chat icons in general: http://www.google.com/search?q=chat%20icon&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=z5I-T8H5NufV0QHokrXsBw&biw=1156&bih=932&sei=05I-T_OuFcbs0gHAv6jgBw http://www.google.com/search?q=chat%20icon&oe=UTF-8&... I really don't think there's a controversy here.

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kisielk 15y ago
In fact to me it looks like the new Messages logo is derived from the old iChat logo with some of the skew removed and another bubble added. Nothing to see here...
byproxy 15y ago
Both are very close to webOS' "Messaging" application, which I think precede them. As you say, though, it is a generic idea.
- Anechoic 15y ago
  which I think precede them ? iChat came out in 2002.
  - rajbot 15y ago
    And iChat's use of the speech bubbles for IM dates back to 1997: http://jens.mooseyard.com/2008/03/the-origin-of-the-ichat-ui/ http://jens.mooseyard.com/2008/03/the-origin-of-the-ichat-ui... A very novel UI at the time.. here is a cached version of the broken pic: http://6.media.tumblr.com/MitMvSO0c6w81bbgrsKunjNE_500.png http://6.media.tumblr.com/MitMvSO0c6w81bbgrsKunjNE_500.png
    - lusr 15y ago
      Microsoft Comic Chat, first released 13 August 1996, even crazier UI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat First demo January 1996: http://kurlander.net/DJ/Videos/ComicChatVideo.shtml http://kurlander.net/DJ/Videos/ComicChatVideo.shtml
      - troels 15y ago
        wtf. that's just awesome. why aren't everyone using that?
        heresy 15y ago
        Even funnier, the military used it in the Iraq war to communicate. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.06/battlefield_pr.html http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.06/battlefield_pr.html "We'll be in the middle of a battle and a bunch of field artillery colonels will come online in the form of these big-breasted blondes."
        fennecfoxen 15y ago
        Because (a) IRC is relatively dead (b) it sent a bunch of funny formatting codes which are a mess to read if you're not using Comic Chat too and everyone else was annoyed with that (c) it's kind of hard to find a copy these days. But it was a fun little client back in the day.
  - byproxy 15y ago
    Sorry, I was referring to iMessage.
xdissent 15y ago
It's even more similar to the Apple Developer Forum logo: https://developer.apple.com/devforums/ https://developer.apple.com/devforums/
powdahound 15y ago
Garret from HipChat here - We obviously agree that lots of apps have used chat bubbles in logos over the years. In fact, probably way too many. The only reason its an issue this time around is that our users are genuinely confused when they try to use both apps. This didn't happen when they used iChat, Echofon, or any other bubble-logoed apps alongside HipChat. The new Messages icon is similar enough that it's a problem, and we don't want our users to be confused.
- sigzero 15y ago
  I agree. Although I do think Apple blatantly copied here.
alexhaefner 15y ago
Agree on the no controversy. I went looking to make a chat icon for a project about a week ago, and looked on dribbble to see some ideas before I started. Chat icons all looked the same. I found examples that looked nearly identical to the hipChat icon and did something similar in my own icon. Never heard of hipChat but the logo is not original or unthought of. I can't see a problem here.
- fennecfoxen 15y ago
  Never heard of HipChat? That ugly billboard on US-101 North by Redwood City was clearly wasted. https://www.google.com/search?ix=seb&q=hipchat+billboard&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?ix=seb&q=hipchat+billboard... (p.s. Y i no use hipchat? b/c ur face!!1)
bostonvaulter2 15y ago
Both chat icons really remind me of the golden ratio iCloud icon. Story is here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3117017 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3117017

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kisielk 15y ago

In fact to me it looks like the new Messages logo is derived from the old iChat logo with some of the skew removed and another bubble added. Nothing to see here...

byproxy 15y ago

Both are very close to webOS' "Messaging" application, which I think precede them. As you say, though, it is a generic idea.

Anechoic 15y ago
which I think precede them ? iChat came out in 2002.
- rajbot 15y ago
  And iChat's use of the speech bubbles for IM dates back to 1997: http://jens.mooseyard.com/2008/03/the-origin-of-the-ichat-ui/ http://jens.mooseyard.com/2008/03/the-origin-of-the-ichat-ui... A very novel UI at the time.. here is a cached version of the broken pic: http://6.media.tumblr.com/MitMvSO0c6w81bbgrsKunjNE_500.png http://6.media.tumblr.com/MitMvSO0c6w81bbgrsKunjNE_500.png
  - lusr 15y ago
    Microsoft Comic Chat, first released 13 August 1996, even crazier UI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat First demo January 1996: http://kurlander.net/DJ/Videos/ComicChatVideo.shtml http://kurlander.net/DJ/Videos/ComicChatVideo.shtml
    - troels 15y ago
      wtf. that's just awesome. why aren't everyone using that?
      - heresy 15y ago
        Even funnier, the military used it in the Iraq war to communicate. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.06/battlefield_pr.html http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.06/battlefield_pr.html "We'll be in the middle of a battle and a bunch of field artillery colonels will come online in the form of these big-breasted blondes."
      - fennecfoxen 15y ago
        Because (a) IRC is relatively dead (b) it sent a bunch of funny formatting codes which are a mess to read if you're not using Comic Chat too and everyone else was annoyed with that (c) it's kind of hard to find a copy these days. But it was a fun little client back in the day.
- byproxy 15y ago
  Sorry, I was referring to iMessage.

xdissent 15y ago

It's even more similar to the Apple Developer Forum logo: https://developer.apple.com/devforums/ https://developer.apple.com/devforums/

powdahound 15y ago

Garret from HipChat here - We obviously agree that lots of apps have used chat bubbles in logos over the years. In fact, probably way too many. The only reason its an issue this time around is that our users are genuinely confused when they try to use both apps. This didn't happen when they used iChat, Echofon, or any other bubble-logoed apps alongside HipChat. The new Messages icon is similar enough that it's a problem, and we don't want our users to be confused.

sigzero 15y ago
I agree. Although I do think Apple blatantly copied here.

alexhaefner 15y ago

Agree on the no controversy. I went looking to make a chat icon for a project about a week ago, and looked on dribbble to see some ideas before I started. Chat icons all looked the same. I found examples that looked nearly identical to the hipChat icon and did something similar in my own icon. Never heard of hipChat but the logo is not original or unthought of. I can't see a problem here.

fennecfoxen 15y ago
Never heard of HipChat? That ugly billboard on US-101 North by Redwood City was clearly wasted. https://www.google.com/search?ix=seb&q=hipchat+billboard&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?ix=seb&q=hipchat+billboard... (p.s. Y i no use hipchat? b/c ur face!!1)

bostonvaulter2 15y ago

Both chat icons really remind me of the golden ratio iCloud icon. Story is here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3117017 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3117017