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I’m not asking anyone to change the Gnome UI. That seems an uncharitable misreading of my question TBH. I’m asking, honestly and in response to encouragement t

by Nursie 3y ago

I’m not asking anyone to change the Gnome UI. That seems an uncharitable misreading of my question TBH. I’m asking, honestly and in response to encouragement to give it another try, whether it is now changeable, and can support the way I work relatively simply. If the answer is ‘no’ (or worse “you’re doing it wrong”) then I won’t.

darkwater 3y ago
Gnome tries to force their defaults as much as possible but I do have Telegram or Slack sitting in the "tray bar" near the top-right corner of the screen. And sorry if I misinterpreted you.
- Nursie 3y ago
  That seems like a genuine improvement from way back when, having a visual indicator for slack messages is definitely one of my major needs. Not that slack was on the radar back then, but at the time I was annoyed that Pidgin (which I also needed for work) wasn't allowed to have a tray icon. I could live without most of the rest of the things that are sitting in my top right right now. Discord and skype are nice-to-haves but not work related so strictly optional.
  - bandrami 3y ago
    > Pidgin (which I also needed for work) wasn't allowed to have a tray icon Telepathy was but -- I still am annoyed about this more than a decade later -- it wasn't allowed to actually indicate whether you had new messages or not, just that you had some notification from some app somewhere, and you had to drill down through your notifications to see it. It was just annoying, like when Gnome decided it would be hilarious to allow a laptop to not sleep when closed but only for 30 seconds. I have no idea why the Gnome devs chose to die on this hill.
ilyt 3y ago
Why ? If I absolutely love the current Gnome UI they will just change shit in next 5 years for no good reason whatsoever
- Nursie 3y ago
  I'm just interested really - I was burned by the changeover from 2-3 and haven't really looked back since. I'm not looking to change either, my needs are met. But I can change my opinion of the state of the thing if it seems like improvements have been made. By the sounds of it, that's a resounding 'maybe'.
  - ilyt 3y ago
    I was like that in GNOME 1.2/2.0 times, tried probably every DM/WM that was packaged for Debian. Then realized the thing I do is "switch between a bunch of full screen apps (especially when we have terminal emulators with tabs and tiles builtin)" and "move them from one screen to another screen". So I sit down, tuned i3 to my liking and never looked back. And now first order of retrievability of most apps is caps lock (rebinded to super) + 1-8/F1-F8, and second order is rofi doing search by window name via alt+tab. Some rules make sure same app always land on same virtual desktop so I just have my stuff in autostart and it lands in right place every time

by Nursie 3y ago

darkwater 3y ago

Gnome tries to force their defaults as much as possible but I do have Telegram or Slack sitting in the "tray bar" near the top-right corner of the screen. And sorry if I misinterpreted you.

Nursie 3y ago
That seems like a genuine improvement from way back when, having a visual indicator for slack messages is definitely one of my major needs. Not that slack was on the radar back then, but at the time I was annoyed that Pidgin (which I also needed for work) wasn't allowed to have a tray icon. I could live without most of the rest of the things that are sitting in my top right right now. Discord and skype are nice-to-haves but not work related so strictly optional.
- bandrami 3y ago
  > Pidgin (which I also needed for work) wasn't allowed to have a tray icon Telepathy was but -- I still am annoyed about this more than a decade later -- it wasn't allowed to actually indicate whether you had new messages or not, just that you had some notification from some app somewhere, and you had to drill down through your notifications to see it. It was just annoying, like when Gnome decided it would be hilarious to allow a laptop to not sleep when closed but only for 30 seconds. I have no idea why the Gnome devs chose to die on this hill.

ilyt 3y ago

Why ? If I absolutely love the current Gnome UI they will just change shit in next 5 years for no good reason whatsoever

Nursie 3y ago
I'm just interested really - I was burned by the changeover from 2-3 and haven't really looked back since. I'm not looking to change either, my needs are met. But I can change my opinion of the state of the thing if it seems like improvements have been made. By the sounds of it, that's a resounding 'maybe'.
- ilyt 3y ago
  I was like that in GNOME 1.2/2.0 times, tried probably every DM/WM that was packaged for Debian. Then realized the thing I do is "switch between a bunch of full screen apps (especially when we have terminal emulators with tabs and tiles builtin)" and "move them from one screen to another screen". So I sit down, tuned i3 to my liking and never looked back. And now first order of retrievability of most apps is caps lock (rebinded to super) + 1-8/F1-F8, and second order is rofi doing search by window name via alt+tab. Some rules make sure same app always land on same virtual desktop so I just have my stuff in autostart and it lands in right place every time