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> You should give modern Gnome a good honest try This long time Debian user does not understand why he would choose Gnome over the incredibly satisfying out of

> You should give modern Gnome a good honest try This long time Debian user does not understand why he would choose Gnome over the incredibly satisfying out of the box experience of KDE Plasma combined with its easy customizability. I suspect that I am not Gnome's target segment... What sort of user is Gnome targeting ?

qup 3y ago
> KDE Plasma Is this what Zorin uses? They look very similar.
- AndroidKitKat 3y ago
  Last I checked out Zorin in a distrohop phase, Zorin used a heavily customized version of GNOME 3.38. While they may have updated their GNOME version since, I don't suspect they've changed to KDE.
teekert 3y ago
To me Gnome feels more tablet like, but still nice with Mouse and Keyboard. I feel that it makes effective use of my screen, it's just full screen, or super-key left/right for a split. Hit Super, start an app, what's not to like? And then there is the menu with things like bleutooth/wifi etc. It's all very minimal, but to me it feels like they made exactly the right choices. What would you change to a default Gnome desktop?
johnny22 3y ago
the fokls who do not want to customize :). We just want the UI to mostly stay out of the way. Last I checked, even Linus uses it.
nablaone 3y ago
"ease customizability" means no sane defaults. It means more work after the installation.
zambal 3y ago
> What sort of user is Gnome targeting ? I guess that would be me. I mostly work in the terminal and I just don't care that much about the window manager. As long as it's simple, works consistent and looks somewhat nice and clean, I'm fine. Gnome fills that role for me.
- ilyt 3y ago
  I moved to XFCE then to I3 with same profile of usage. Just a bunch of terminals + full screen browser/IDE/whatever else Took a bit of customizing... years ago and I haven't needed to change much since
George83728 3y ago
Gnome's target demo seems to be people who aren't linux enthusiasts... who are for some reason using linux anyway. So basically, people who are made to use linux on their computer at work, or hapless elder relatives of overzealous linux users who had linux installed on their computer without understanding what it was.
gymbeaux 3y ago
KDE Plasma is too buggy for my liking. It seems to be mostly scaling-related. I do like that it’s more feature-rich than GNOME, but bugs/UX trump that.
- DiabloD3 3y ago
  That isn't a KDE-related bug, but a Wayland related bug. GNOME using Wayland also has this bug: Wayland apps that do not internally deal with HiDPI scaling don't get scaling. Both GNOME and KDE's WMs recently supported WM-side scaling now that the protocol for it has been agreed upon.
  - gymbeaux 3y ago
    My understanding was that the KDE distros I was using were still on X11 but I could be mistaken. Fedora 38 with GNOME (on Wayland) has been mostly bug free for me. Certainly better than KDE.
    - DiabloD3 3y ago
      This also could be true. To be absolutely fair to both sides, we're in a rough transitory period due to intra-project politics. Some people have a better time on X11, some on Wayland, and its down to which distro they're on and how new (or old) it is. Today, however, Gnome and KDE both have excellent Wayland support, even mostly okay on Nvidia binary drivers (but still, use the FOSS drivers if they work for you, or just stop buying Nvidia hardware until Nvidia stops trying to throw AMD and Intel's excellent FOSS work under the bus).

qup 3y ago

> KDE Plasma Is this what Zorin uses? They look very similar.

AndroidKitKat 3y ago
Last I checked out Zorin in a distrohop phase, Zorin used a heavily customized version of GNOME 3.38. While they may have updated their GNOME version since, I don't suspect they've changed to KDE.

teekert 3y ago

To me Gnome feels more tablet like, but still nice with Mouse and Keyboard. I feel that it makes effective use of my screen, it's just full screen, or super-key left/right for a split. Hit Super, start an app, what's not to like? And then there is the menu with things like bleutooth/wifi etc. It's all very minimal, but to me it feels like they made exactly the right choices. What would you change to a default Gnome desktop?

johnny22 3y ago

the fokls who do not want to customize :). We just want the UI to mostly stay out of the way. Last I checked, even Linus uses it.

nablaone 3y ago

"ease customizability" means no sane defaults. It means more work after the installation.

zambal 3y ago

> What sort of user is Gnome targeting ? I guess that would be me. I mostly work in the terminal and I just don't care that much about the window manager. As long as it's simple, works consistent and looks somewhat nice and clean, I'm fine. Gnome fills that role for me.

ilyt 3y ago
I moved to XFCE then to I3 with same profile of usage. Just a bunch of terminals + full screen browser/IDE/whatever else Took a bit of customizing... years ago and I haven't needed to change much since

George83728 3y ago

Gnome's target demo seems to be people who aren't linux enthusiasts... who are for some reason using linux anyway. So basically, people who are made to use linux on their computer at work, or hapless elder relatives of overzealous linux users who had linux installed on their computer without understanding what it was.

gymbeaux 3y ago

KDE Plasma is too buggy for my liking. It seems to be mostly scaling-related. I do like that it’s more feature-rich than GNOME, but bugs/UX trump that.

DiabloD3 3y ago
That isn't a KDE-related bug, but a Wayland related bug. GNOME using Wayland also has this bug: Wayland apps that do not internally deal with HiDPI scaling don't get scaling. Both GNOME and KDE's WMs recently supported WM-side scaling now that the protocol for it has been agreed upon.
- gymbeaux 3y ago
  My understanding was that the KDE distros I was using were still on X11 but I could be mistaken. Fedora 38 with GNOME (on Wayland) has been mostly bug free for me. Certainly better than KDE.
  - DiabloD3 3y ago
    This also could be true. To be absolutely fair to both sides, we're in a rough transitory period due to intra-project politics. Some people have a better time on X11, some on Wayland, and its down to which distro they're on and how new (or old) it is. Today, however, Gnome and KDE both have excellent Wayland support, even mostly okay on Nvidia binary drivers (but still, use the FOSS drivers if they work for you, or just stop buying Nvidia hardware until Nvidia stops trying to throw AMD and Intel's excellent FOSS work under the bus).