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There millions of musicians way more accomplished than me. But in no way do they stop me from enjoying noodling around with sound. Meanwhile, a lot of our most

by nxpnsv 3y ago

There millions of musicians way more accomplished than me. But in no way do they stop me from enjoying noodling around with sound. Meanwhile, a lot of our most famous artists employ massive teams to helping them make tracks. Yet, still there are passionate creatives doing amazing stuff. I don't think creativity is over quite yet.

feoren 3y ago
Yes, all this AI generated content is only more, and only adds to the total body of creative works that humans can enjoy (if you're rich). Humans are still free to pursue their own creative passions, and can get the same fulfillment from them as before (if you're rich). We can all look forward to a future where even more of our needs are met even more cheaply and easily (if you're rich). Sure, of all of the pathways previously available for humans to make a decent living and actually put a roof over their heads and food on their tables, most of them will no longer an option in a decade or two -- it was already extremely hard to make a living as a creative, and now it will be completely impossible. Nor will anyone be able to make a living driving a truck, doing landscape design, writing ad copy, writing basic code, working in a factory, optimizing a factory, designing a factory, or building a factory. Only owning things will make you money; everyone else will be competing tooth-and-nail for the few remaining ways to serve you that still require a human. Obviously those poorsies won't be able to pursue their creative passions anymore, since they're working 80 hours per week in the vain hope that their children will be able to escape the cycle of poverty. But fuck those guys: you're rich! You can play guitar all fuckin' day if you want. You are rich, right? Right?
- nxpnsv 3y ago
  You had enough time to write this elaborate reply to my post, you must be loaded...
  - feoren 3y ago
    > in a decade or two Argument: AI has a possibility of destroying everyone's jobs so they can no longer make a living and the world is extremely uncaring toward people with no income and so they will die penniless on the street and those that don't will be heavily exploited by the rich. Counter-argument: But they can still sit around playing music if they want! No, not if they're indentured servants. I'm not saying AI will destroy most jobs, but I am saying that if it does, the fact that we can still pursue our own creative desires independent of what the AI is doing is missing the point. We've created a world where an explosion of AI capabilities would allow the rich to no longer need the poor, and they will 100% exploit that. It's not AI's fault, it's the worship of the rich and the false equivalence that wealth == human value. If someone is lamenting that there's now no chance they can make money by being a musician, telling them "whatever, just do what you love for free instead, and wait tables for 80 hours per week for an absolute pittance to make money" is not comforting.
cjohnson318 3y ago
Creativity isn't over, but being able to support a family with creative work is going to get a lot harder.
- nxpnsv 3y ago
  Maybe, that said it was pretty damned hard before as well...
  - cjohnson318 3y ago
    Oh hell yeah. I'm a fairly competent artist, and a fairly competent engineer, but I can only make a living off of one of those skill sets.

by nxpnsv 3y ago

feoren 3y ago

Yes, all this AI generated content is only more, and only adds to the total body of creative works that humans can enjoy (if you're rich). Humans are still free to pursue their own creative passions, and can get the same fulfillment from them as before (if you're rich). We can all look forward to a future where even more of our needs are met even more cheaply and easily (if you're rich). Sure, of all of the pathways previously available for humans to make a decent living and actually put a roof over their heads and food on their tables, most of them will no longer an option in a decade or two -- it was already extremely hard to make a living as a creative, and now it will be completely impossible. Nor will anyone be able to make a living driving a truck, doing landscape design, writing ad copy, writing basic code, working in a factory, optimizing a factory, designing a factory, or building a factory. Only owning things will make you money; everyone else will be competing tooth-and-nail for the few remaining ways to serve you that still require a human. Obviously those poorsies won't be able to pursue their creative passions anymore, since they're working 80 hours per week in the vain hope that their children will be able to escape the cycle of poverty. But fuck those guys: you're rich! You can play guitar all fuckin' day if you want. You are rich, right? Right?

nxpnsv 3y ago
You had enough time to write this elaborate reply to my post, you must be loaded...
- feoren 3y ago
  > in a decade or two Argument: AI has a possibility of destroying everyone's jobs so they can no longer make a living and the world is extremely uncaring toward people with no income and so they will die penniless on the street and those that don't will be heavily exploited by the rich. Counter-argument: But they can still sit around playing music if they want! No, not if they're indentured servants. I'm not saying AI will destroy most jobs, but I am saying that if it does, the fact that we can still pursue our own creative desires independent of what the AI is doing is missing the point. We've created a world where an explosion of AI capabilities would allow the rich to no longer need the poor, and they will 100% exploit that. It's not AI's fault, it's the worship of the rich and the false equivalence that wealth == human value. If someone is lamenting that there's now no chance they can make money by being a musician, telling them "whatever, just do what you love for free instead, and wait tables for 80 hours per week for an absolute pittance to make money" is not comforting.

cjohnson318 3y ago

Creativity isn't over, but being able to support a family with creative work is going to get a lot harder.

nxpnsv 3y ago
Maybe, that said it was pretty damned hard before as well...
- cjohnson318 3y ago
  Oh hell yeah. I'm a fairly competent artist, and a fairly competent engineer, but I can only make a living off of one of those skill sets.