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Only commenting on a small part, but it really grates me when companies try to define 'fun' for me. No, having lunch with my coworkers every day is not fun for

Only commenting on a small part, but it really grates me when companies try to define 'fun' for me. No, having lunch with my coworkers every day is not fun for me -- I like taking lunch to have some time for myself, maybe take a walk or something. No I don't want to play games after work with my coworkers -- I want to go home, work out, make dinner, play my instruments..etc. No I don't want to get a beer with my coworkers on Fridays -- I want to go see all my other friends who have M-F jobs and are similarly busy during the workweek. These are absolutely all things that can be perks for some people, but I don't like it when social interaction is the proscribed 'fun'. For some of us, the job is a job, not our life, and we have other things we want to spend our time on besides work.

novok 3y ago
And a seed stage / pre-seed startup is not for you, that's ok! The same kind of people that want to play in the NFL or play at the top orchestra are the types of people who would gravitate towards these kinds of environments. Those people too don't care much for work life balance and having a 9-5 job.
- genocidicbunny 3y ago
  Oh absolutely. It's the business owners prerogative if they wish to hire specific people. I just don't like all of these additional justifications being piled on, and the 'fun' one was frequently used even before the pandemic and the large move to WFH. I think it would be pretty refreshing if some of these RTO articles were about a business owner saying "We're returning to office because that's what I like, and it is my business, so I get to make the rules. Yes, it won't be for everyone, but that's just how it is." I might not agree with them, but at least I'd be able to respect the honesty.
- slyall 3y ago
  Beers, Video games and Lunches aren't doing work. You aren't working 12 hour days if 4 of those are getting drunk at the bar.
f1shy 3y ago
In the company I work I get constant invitations for “have fun with colleges” after work. Instead of paying actual team building events, or do something during the work time, they want that we prefer to be more time “at work” for free instead of being with our families. I did that until I was 30… I don’t anymore…
jacquesm 3y ago
Yes, some companies really push this to extremes too.

novok 3y ago

And a seed stage / pre-seed startup is not for you, that's ok! The same kind of people that want to play in the NFL or play at the top orchestra are the types of people who would gravitate towards these kinds of environments. Those people too don't care much for work life balance and having a 9-5 job.

genocidicbunny 3y ago
Oh absolutely. It's the business owners prerogative if they wish to hire specific people. I just don't like all of these additional justifications being piled on, and the 'fun' one was frequently used even before the pandemic and the large move to WFH. I think it would be pretty refreshing if some of these RTO articles were about a business owner saying "We're returning to office because that's what I like, and it is my business, so I get to make the rules. Yes, it won't be for everyone, but that's just how it is." I might not agree with them, but at least I'd be able to respect the honesty.
slyall 3y ago
Beers, Video games and Lunches aren't doing work. You aren't working 12 hour days if 4 of those are getting drunk at the bar.

f1shy 3y ago

In the company I work I get constant invitations for “have fun with colleges” after work. Instead of paying actual team building events, or do something during the work time, they want that we prefer to be more time “at work” for free instead of being with our families. I did that until I was 30… I don’t anymore…

jacquesm 3y ago

Yes, some companies really push this to extremes too.