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If you talk about monetizing these creative pursuits, then yes, there is a reason to be worried. But if you are talking about pursuing these creative passions

If you talk about monetizing these creative pursuits, then yes, there is a reason to be worried. But if you are talking about pursuing these creative passions as an end by itself, it's much less relevant.

ablation 3y ago
Quite so. Much in the same way ChatGPT or other LLMs won’t stop me writing for pleasure, entertainment or otherwise, no model will likely ever make me not want to pick up my guitar or fire up my DAW.
- kfrzcode 3y ago
  GPT-4 in particular has, for me, rekindled a fire for writing, as I find it a compelling conversationalist quite adept to my often hyperactive, overly loquacious writing style whereas most meatspace agents find it laborious, self-aggrandizing, indulgent, and unnecessarily complex, like post-modernist novels or rationalist fanfiction. I've been engaging with GPT4 to build out an entire world of alternative hard science fiction history and it's going to be a best seller, I assure you, with zero hesitancy and full confidence. It's my idea, there's simply something so enthralling about having a "super editor" when primed with very specific prompts and understanding the boundaries of what it can't do... I'm literally 15k words into a first draft. Vomiting my ideas into words, processed through GPT to garner it's insights and suggestions, but never asking GPT to compose first drafts, has been very fun.
- Juliate 3y ago
  But who will build and maintain a DAW (or the equivalent that enables private practice) if there is not enough people able/willing to support it? Those AI tools will be at the center of how we create and access music in the next decade. It’s a bit like cars replacing horses. There will still be horses. But transportation, city/traffic rules will adjust to cars, not horses anymore.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    Enthusiasts with AI-assisted development tools. Just like it's done with any other "historic" tech nowadays. Game console emulators, for example. Also those tools will most likely be open source.
- widdershins 3y ago
  Yes, that's true for our generation, since we grew up with authors and musicians as role models we admired, and we loved their art and wanted to emulate it. But what will happen in a generation or two, when the world is flooded with AI generated art? Will the children of that era feel any desire to write or compose for pleasure? I'm not sure; I hope they will though.
  - hospitalhusband 3y ago
    Notes from underground. > Consequently, these laws of nature have only to be discovered, and man will no longer be responsible for his actions, and it will become extremely easy for him to live his life. All human actions, of course, will then have to be worked out by those laws, mathematically, like a table of logarithms, and entered in the almanac; or better still, there will appear orthodox publications, something like our encyclopaedic dictionaries, in which everything will be so accurately calculated and plotted that there will no longer be any individual deeds or adventures left in the world. ‘Then,’ (this is all of you speaking), ‘a new political economy will come into existence, all complete, and also calculated with mathematical accuracy, so that all problems will vanish in the twinkling of an eye, simply because all possible answers to them will have been supplied. Then the Palace of Crystal will arise. Then….’ Well, in short, the golden age will come again. Of course it is quite impossible (here I am speaking myself) to guarantee that it won’t be terribly boring then (because what can one do if everything has been plotted out and tabulated?), but on the other hand be eminently sensible.
soulofmischief 3y ago
Being creative, or mastering new skills, after a suffocating 9-5 isn't the easiest task.
- jamiecurle 3y ago
  You get suffocated at work? As in "physically starved of the components needed to aerobically respire?" Speak to HR. I know they're there to protect the company, but even HR may want to allow you to breathe.
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    No one is saying that.
code51 3y ago
Did you watch Rick Beato's take on AI effect on music? Monetizing music is a totally different thing that requires fan interaction and that takes both time, a live avatar (human or not). I'm thinking when a group comes up with a live avatar that can do concerts for AI songs and interact with fans, then monetization is doomed. Not for now though...
tgv 3y ago
It is relevant. When the incentives (money, fame, sex) are taken away from producing music, the infrastructure for teaching music will erode rapidly. If AI takes over the music industry, music teaching and production of affordable musical instruments will be gone within a generation. There will be no resources left for "pursuing these creative passions", and aspiring pop musicians will only be able to produce bad and old-fashioned sounding tripe, and be ignored. Classical music might be an exception, since the audience cares a lot about performance, and is much less impressed by fashions and fads (sometimes to the detriment of modern composers, but that's another story).
- Guthur 3y ago
  Do you even play. I enjoy playing guitar, have had no meaningful tuition, and while occassionally wonder what it would be like to perform live have no realistic expectation of doing so. The machines are taking nothing. You may allow someone to take your money for this infinitely reproducible string of notes but ultimately recorded music and it's sale is only a relatively recent phenomenon. Most modern pop music had become largely mechanical anyway.
  - tgv 3y ago
    The machines will take away your guitar. When people abandon making music, guitars will be in less demand, and become more expensive. New players will have to rely on old sources for learning, because almost nobody will be interested in keeping them up to date or producing new content. And when the old sources go (and they inevitable do), that will be lost as well, and popular music fades away, al niente.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  money, fame, sex Tribal people have amazing music, I doubt their drive was money (which didn't exist), fame (didn't exist), or sex (maybe?). Dancing is probably more important for courtship, nearly everyone sucks at that and we're still here.
  - tgv 3y ago

ablation 3y ago

Quite so. Much in the same way ChatGPT or other LLMs won’t stop me writing for pleasure, entertainment or otherwise, no model will likely ever make me not want to pick up my guitar or fire up my DAW.

kfrzcode 3y ago
GPT-4 in particular has, for me, rekindled a fire for writing, as I find it a compelling conversationalist quite adept to my often hyperactive, overly loquacious writing style whereas most meatspace agents find it laborious, self-aggrandizing, indulgent, and unnecessarily complex, like post-modernist novels or rationalist fanfiction. I've been engaging with GPT4 to build out an entire world of alternative hard science fiction history and it's going to be a best seller, I assure you, with zero hesitancy and full confidence. It's my idea, there's simply something so enthralling about having a "super editor" when primed with very specific prompts and understanding the boundaries of what it can't do... I'm literally 15k words into a first draft. Vomiting my ideas into words, processed through GPT to garner it's insights and suggestions, but never asking GPT to compose first drafts, has been very fun.
Juliate 3y ago
But who will build and maintain a DAW (or the equivalent that enables private practice) if there is not enough people able/willing to support it? Those AI tools will be at the center of how we create and access music in the next decade. It’s a bit like cars replacing horses. There will still be horses. But transportation, city/traffic rules will adjust to cars, not horses anymore.
- zirgs 3y ago
  Enthusiasts with AI-assisted development tools. Just like it's done with any other "historic" tech nowadays. Game console emulators, for example. Also those tools will most likely be open source.
widdershins 3y ago
Yes, that's true for our generation, since we grew up with authors and musicians as role models we admired, and we loved their art and wanted to emulate it. But what will happen in a generation or two, when the world is flooded with AI generated art? Will the children of that era feel any desire to write or compose for pleasure? I'm not sure; I hope they will though.
- hospitalhusband 3y ago
  Notes from underground. > Consequently, these laws of nature have only to be discovered, and man will no longer be responsible for his actions, and it will become extremely easy for him to live his life. All human actions, of course, will then have to be worked out by those laws, mathematically, like a table of logarithms, and entered in the almanac; or better still, there will appear orthodox publications, something like our encyclopaedic dictionaries, in which everything will be so accurately calculated and plotted that there will no longer be any individual deeds or adventures left in the world. ‘Then,’ (this is all of you speaking), ‘a new political economy will come into existence, all complete, and also calculated with mathematical accuracy, so that all problems will vanish in the twinkling of an eye, simply because all possible answers to them will have been supplied. Then the Palace of Crystal will arise. Then….’ Well, in short, the golden age will come again. Of course it is quite impossible (here I am speaking myself) to guarantee that it won’t be terribly boring then (because what can one do if everything has been plotted out and tabulated?), but on the other hand be eminently sensible.

soulofmischief 3y ago

Being creative, or mastering new skills, after a suffocating 9-5 isn't the easiest task.

jamiecurle 3y ago
You get suffocated at work? As in "physically starved of the components needed to aerobically respire?" Speak to HR. I know they're there to protect the company, but even HR may want to allow you to breathe.
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  No one is saying that.

code51 3y ago

Did you watch Rick Beato's take on AI effect on music? Monetizing music is a totally different thing that requires fan interaction and that takes both time, a live avatar (human or not). I'm thinking when a group comes up with a live avatar that can do concerts for AI songs and interact with fans, then monetization is doomed. Not for now though...

tgv 3y ago

It is relevant. When the incentives (money, fame, sex) are taken away from producing music, the infrastructure for teaching music will erode rapidly. If AI takes over the music industry, music teaching and production of affordable musical instruments will be gone within a generation. There will be no resources left for "pursuing these creative passions", and aspiring pop musicians will only be able to produce bad and old-fashioned sounding tripe, and be ignored. Classical music might be an exception, since the audience cares a lot about performance, and is much less impressed by fashions and fads (sometimes to the detriment of modern composers, but that's another story).

Guthur 3y ago
Do you even play. I enjoy playing guitar, have had no meaningful tuition, and while occassionally wonder what it would be like to perform live have no realistic expectation of doing so. The machines are taking nothing. You may allow someone to take your money for this infinitely reproducible string of notes but ultimately recorded music and it's sale is only a relatively recent phenomenon. Most modern pop music had become largely mechanical anyway.
- tgv 3y ago
  The machines will take away your guitar. When people abandon making music, guitars will be in less demand, and become more expensive. New players will have to rely on old sources for learning, because almost nobody will be interested in keeping them up to date or producing new content. And when the old sources go (and they inevitable do), that will be lost as well, and popular music fades away, al niente.
ChatGTP 3y ago
money, fame, sex Tribal people have amazing music, I doubt their drive was money (which didn't exist), fame (didn't exist), or sex (maybe?). Dancing is probably more important for courtship, nearly everyone sucks at that and we're still here.
- tgv 3y ago