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> Who decides what constitutes hate speech Governments do. And Reddit being a global site needs to abide by the laws of places like Germany which have specifi
by threeseed 3y ago
> Who decides what constitutes hate speech
Governments do.
And Reddit being a global site needs to abide by the laws of places like Germany which have specific rules around what content is tolerated.
- the_doctah 3y agoBeing held liable for hosting child porn is a little different than banning people for criticizing gender politics.
- iamacyborg 3y agoMaybe being banned is a good signal that you should stop being an arsehole?
- wmnj 3y agoWould you have said the same about the suffragettes fighting for their rights?
- iamacyborg 3y agoNo but I suspect that’s unlikely to be an apples to apples comparison.
- wmnj 3y agoIt usually is. Reddit in particular banned a whole swathe of women-focused communities, and users who commented in them, where women were advocating for their rights regarding female-only spaces. Outside of social media, there is a significant amount of institutional censorship on this topic, favoring male privilege over women's rights.
- iamacyborg 3y agoWhich banned communities are you referring to? I can't recall any ban wave targeting anything other than content most would consider to be hateful or bullying.
- wmnj 3y agor/gendercritical, r/menwinningwomenssport, r/truelesbians, r/actualwomen, r/terfisaslur, etc.
- iamacyborg 3y agoAh so when you say "women-focused" community what you meant to say was "anti-trans" communities. Those aren't communities I ever looked into but I can imagine the sort of content that got posted there, see my comment above about hateful or bullying content.
- wmnj 3y agoSo you never looked into these communities, yet you're painting them as "anti-trans" despite having never read a single post or comment? That seems to be a rather fact-free analysis. If you had even just casually browsed them you'd see these were subreddits created by women, for women, and focused on the rights of women to have female-only spaces. And that is why they were banned.
- concordDance 3y agoBeing banned is in and of itself only a signal of strong disagreement with those holding the banning power. Often those holding bumming power will ban for being an arsehole but they can also ban for many other things. For instance, I don't necessarily think not wanting to allow people with male levels of testosterone to compete in female sports is arseholishness, but reasonable people can disagree here and a moderator might ban for it.
- iamacyborg 3y agoOh for sure, a 1-off ban in a single community doesn't mean much, but if you find yourself being banned from multiple communities because of the things you're saying, it's probably worth taking a moment of introspection to really assess whether you're in the right or not. I also don't think that particular example is arseholeish but it sure is tedious to hear folks with no interest in sports who suddenly have an opinion on who can compete. If you want to engage in the subject matter go speak to folks at your local athletics or sports club.
- wmnj 3y ago> but it sure is tedious to hear folks with no interest in sports who suddenly have an opinion on who can compete Clearly they do have an interest in sports - on the topic of fairness for female athletes at the very least - if they have formed an opinion on this topic.
- iamacyborg 3y agoMost folks talking about the issue only care about it in as much as it provides them with an opportunity to bash trans athletes. It’s a complex topic and you’d do well to talk to folks who are actually affected by it. I competed in the Southern Athletics league last summer and train with my local athletics club, I’m yet to even see a single trans athlete take part, let alone compete.
- wmnj 3y ago
- chatmasta 3y agoWhy do they need to comply globally with the hate speech laws of Germany but not the LGBT laws of Saudi Arabia and Iran?
- sirl1on 3y agoWhy do I have to be DMCA compliant when reaching a US audience? Because they want to ensure to be available and reach users there. There is no inherent need, but not playing by the rules may result in being banned from participating in countries. Sometimes that's accepted (your Saudi Arabia example), sometimes ensured via separate services or other tricks (e.g. Chinese markets).
- dabluecaboose 3y agoIt's a bit absurd to promote the government of Germany when claiming that the government should be the arbiter of what is and isn't acceptable speech. I know, Godwin's law, but the point is governments are fallible.
- nate_meurer 3y ago> Governments do. Making it a very powerful tool that is available exclusively to the people who already have the most power.