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I mean, San Francisco ain't such a bad place to be. It's not like saying 'we're moving back to the middle of North Dakota where I started my business'. (Yes,

I mean, San Francisco ain't such a bad place to be. It's not like saying 'we're moving back to the middle of North Dakota where I started my business'. (Yes, I know all the recent stuff about SF, but as they describe in the post (and as has been my experience in other demonized places), it's not really relevant.)

jacquesm 3y ago
It doesn't really matter though. You can't 'change your mind' on stuff like this on a whim, you entered into an agreement and set expectations. Maybe you'll change your mind again tomorrow. You can't toss your employees around like so many beans in a tin can because you had a good idea under the shower.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  What does that have to do with my comment?
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    That whether or not it is South Dakota or the North Pole people plan their lives around where their work is and you can't just move offices as though it won't have consequences. Plenty of times these are reorganizations or layoffs in disguise, they essentially count on a large chunk of the employees being unable to make the switch.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      My point is that you are writing, 'I'm not interested in your comment; I want to change the topic to my comment'. It has nothing to do with my observation about SF. Maybe post your comment somewhere else?
cat_plus_plus 3y ago
It doesn't have to be that dangerous to be scary for adults or inappropriate for children. I once went to SF Opera and my kid saw a guy brandishing a knife and muttering to himself. Why would I raise my family in this kind of place? I have never been to North Dakota, but would every place there necessarily have the same level of concern with homeless, street drug use, naked guys on the street, rampant theft? To be fair, most of Peninsula is pretty clean and safe, if only someone can afford the house prices.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  I love these horror stories. I spend almost my entire life in cities, in all sorts of neighborhoods, and never see this stuff. It's pretty amazing. I see people muttering to themselves (no weapons), but they are harmless - less than harmless, they are the most vulnerable. I've never had a problem with an apparently unhoused person - they are just people, like you. (An unhoused person brandishing a weapon would be arrested or shot instantly. They have no rights at all and are brutally overpoliced - I've heard a police officer coach a room on what to say to get someone arrested. They are humans who are trying to survive; they aren't crazy and don't want to be attacked by police.) Crime and drug use are issues in rural areas as much as urban. The post-pandemic crime increase, at least according to ~1 year old FBI or DoJ data, is as much rural as urban and everywhere in the country. The lower population density means you'll see less of everything - bad, good, criminals and restaurants and neighbors. Also, not much opera.
  - cat_plus_plus 3y ago
    Ok, that settles it! Since I have never personally experienced police brutality, racism or sexism, I am going to be as dismissive when someone tells me of their personal experiences as you are of my account of an SF guy muttering with a knife. Alternatively, you could consider that you might have some special circumstances. For example, since you always lived in cities, you may have intuitions about where and when to go or not to go, and how to act to discourage troublemakers from approaching. You may just look not as the type to mess with. Or you might have just been lucky so far.

jacquesm 3y ago

It doesn't really matter though. You can't 'change your mind' on stuff like this on a whim, you entered into an agreement and set expectations. Maybe you'll change your mind again tomorrow. You can't toss your employees around like so many beans in a tin can because you had a good idea under the shower.

wolverine876 3y ago
What does that have to do with my comment?
- jacquesm 3y ago
  That whether or not it is South Dakota or the North Pole people plan their lives around where their work is and you can't just move offices as though it won't have consequences. Plenty of times these are reorganizations or layoffs in disguise, they essentially count on a large chunk of the employees being unable to make the switch.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    My point is that you are writing, 'I'm not interested in your comment; I want to change the topic to my comment'. It has nothing to do with my observation about SF. Maybe post your comment somewhere else?

cat_plus_plus 3y ago

It doesn't have to be that dangerous to be scary for adults or inappropriate for children. I once went to SF Opera and my kid saw a guy brandishing a knife and muttering to himself. Why would I raise my family in this kind of place? I have never been to North Dakota, but would every place there necessarily have the same level of concern with homeless, street drug use, naked guys on the street, rampant theft? To be fair, most of Peninsula is pretty clean and safe, if only someone can afford the house prices.

wolverine876 3y ago
I love these horror stories. I spend almost my entire life in cities, in all sorts of neighborhoods, and never see this stuff. It's pretty amazing. I see people muttering to themselves (no weapons), but they are harmless - less than harmless, they are the most vulnerable. I've never had a problem with an apparently unhoused person - they are just people, like you. (An unhoused person brandishing a weapon would be arrested or shot instantly. They have no rights at all and are brutally overpoliced - I've heard a police officer coach a room on what to say to get someone arrested. They are humans who are trying to survive; they aren't crazy and don't want to be attacked by police.) Crime and drug use are issues in rural areas as much as urban. The post-pandemic crime increase, at least according to ~1 year old FBI or DoJ data, is as much rural as urban and everywhere in the country. The lower population density means you'll see less of everything - bad, good, criminals and restaurants and neighbors. Also, not much opera.
- cat_plus_plus 3y ago
  Ok, that settles it! Since I have never personally experienced police brutality, racism or sexism, I am going to be as dismissive when someone tells me of their personal experiences as you are of my account of an SF guy muttering with a knife. Alternatively, you could consider that you might have some special circumstances. For example, since you always lived in cities, you may have intuitions about where and when to go or not to go, and how to act to discourage troublemakers from approaching. You may just look not as the type to mess with. Or you might have just been lucky so far.