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> seems the land of the Linux desktop has abandoned GNOME's years of user-hostile actions and moved to either KDE or to increasingly more obscure build-a-deskto
by unmole 3y ago
> seems the land of the Linux desktop has abandoned GNOME's years of user-hostile actions and moved to either KDE or to increasingly more obscure build-a-desktop stuff (ie, sway + waybar, or river, or bspwm, or w/e).
This is a bizzare take. Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, RedHat and its spinoffs all default to GNOME.
- easrng 3y agoLast time I installed Debian it gave me a list of DEs and I could pick as many as I wanted to, no default. Did something change?
- johnny22 3y agowhich one would be selected if you didn't make a choice. I don't use debian, but I thought the answer was GNOME.
- JohnFen 3y agoIIRC, if you don't choose one, no DE is installed at all.
- 6581 3y agoIf you don't choose a specific DE (which is the default setting), it installs GNOME.
- George83728 3y agoI'm quite sure the last time I installed Debian, a year or two ago, I didn't choose a DE so it installed no DE at all. Are you people talking about installing from a GNOME-based live image or something? I think most people use the netinstall image, which uses no DE and, I'm about 90% sure, has no graphical environment selected by default.
- reportgunner 3y agoPerhaps you used the minimal image, I remember both having a DE when installing debian and not having a DE when I installed it again later.
- goosedragons 3y agoIf you choose the desktop environment task then by default it gives you GNOME.
- DiabloD3 3y agoThis is correct, but lacking context: If you don't select the desktop task, no desktop is installed; if you select the desktop task, but no specific version of it, it installs GNOME. There are also KDE, XFCE, LXDE, and maybe others, to also install; but the user has to select those instead of the default desktop task.
- stonogo 3y agoCheck again. That list of DEs comes with GNOME checked by default.
- pojntfx 3y agoYeah. If anything, the exact opposite has happened, and KDE and GNOME work together on almost all new developments through FreeDesktop/XDG and they even have a shared conference now (LAS)
- pjmlp 3y agoOnly base Ubuntu uses GNOME.
- huggingmouth 3y agoAren't those just the older distributions who are already saddled with their defaults? What are the more recent distributions doing (steamos,popos,..etc)? Dismissing things as "bizzar takes" is a good way to miss very clear signs.
- packetlost 3y ago...????? what? Distros are not saddled with any obligation towards defaults (for DEs at least). Were you not around for the whole Ubuntu + Unity debacle?
- huggingmouth 3y agoDoesn't the unity debacle show how hard it is to switch out the desktop default. Anyway, I think looking at the de defaults of newer distributions, especially those established after the gnome 3 disaster might give a more accurate picture about the popularity of the de.
- taskforcegemini 3y agomaybe the issue wasn't switching it, but how canonical implemented it, like many other things they start. and they had even aquihired the compiz creator, if I remember correctly. and compiz was a huge thing, probably the best thing ever to happen to linux desktop
- DiabloD3 3y ago90% of Ubuntu's mistakes are "a little of column A, a little of column B". As in, they sometimes have good ideas, and then just entirely butcher the implementation: either they do it directly (Unity and Mir's in-house development), or they adopt an external source of bad implementations (Redhat's pulseaudio and systemd initiatives; both good ideas on paper, but then just become a thorn in everyone's side for a decade until better alternatives appear ).
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