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Yeah. Absolutely loaded with Ukrainian propaganda. Granted, I want Russia to lose the war they started.

senttoschool 3y ago
Reddit hive mind latches onto feel good stories but ignores logic and history. Everything is black and white, good and evil to the average Redditor. It's best to avoid Reddit front page and large subs. PS. Reddit's transparent upvote system highly encourages popular and feel good opinions at the expense of accuracy. You can write a quality post backed by peer reviewed science but still get downvoted if it doesn't fit within a sub's consensus opinion.
- conradfr 3y ago
  The vote system became a lot more useless the day they removed the upvote/downvote counter.
ed25519FUUU 3y ago
Pro-war propaganda is the right way to look at it. The USA profits from a protracted war in Ukraine. All of that money we send just goes right back into the military industrial complex.
- jazzyjackson 3y ago
  I mean, on the whole we profit more by having a cheap source of competent labor adjacent to europe, but that doesn't stop the military-industrial-congressional complex from making sales.
  - valvar 3y ago
    Europe does. The US? Not necessarily.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  If the US is happy with a protracted war, then isn’t pro-Ukraine propaganda anti-war? If we’re willing to keep supplying them indefinitely, it just becomes a matter of which country has the will/manpower to fight. Since Ukraine is fighting for their home, I guess they’ll have the willpower advantage. So, we should root for peace, achieved as soon as possibly, by the invaders leaving.
  - ed25519FUUU 3y ago
    There are many ways to a cease fire, and one of them is an immediate withdrawal by Russia from all occupied territories.
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      I don’t see a ton of other ways, it seems like anything else would require Ukraine to give up something, which is a pretty hard sell in response to an unprovoked invasion. (I mean obviously it is Ukraine’s right to decide if they want to, like, sacrifice some territory in exchange for a peace treaty, but they seem to have pretty good morale and Russia didn’t respect their previous agreement not to invade, so it seems like it would be hard to start negotiating).
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Giorgi 3y ago
Can't blame them, hard to be on invader's side who commits war crimes every hour and be doing it since Georgia invasions.
- senttoschool 3y ago
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  - Giorgi 3y ago
    Yes, US side, NATO side and Ukraine side, war crimes that US has committed are also very bad. Even though considering "whataboutism", Russians as a nation are universally hated among their neighbors, they invaded, killed and displaced and are currently occupying lands in Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Kazakhstan etc. etc. And that would be main difference, while US bombs tyrannic regiments and topples dictatorships, Russia invades and is trying to annex their neighbors. It has economy roughly of a Spain and is basically a shithole thug regiment that needs to be dissolved and fast.
    - senttoschool 3y ago
      Yikes. I hope you realize that your views are extreme. One might even call that an extremist or terrorist. "When we kill people, it's because we're good. When they kill people, it's because they're evil." Note: Not a supporter nor an expert of Russia.
      - Giorgi 3y ago
        Wrong. These are not views, these are facts. Yes, Russia is a terrorist state. As I said, war crimes are wrong no matter the "side". However there is huge difference between bombing tyrants and dictators vs raping kids in Ukraine. Note: Sure.
  - Fauntleroy 3y ago
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friendzis 3y ago
As much as there is propaganda praising Russia in this conflict, there is pro-Ukraine propaganda, nothing new about it. The fact that you do see one sided propaganda is just indicative of media outlets you use filtering the propaganda they feed you. Or in other words, construct narrative "our side is good, their side is bad". Why is it so hard for some people to accept that media outlets are filtering propaganda on other divisive topics too?
ycombinete 3y ago
Yeah. Even /r/CombatFootage only upvotes Ukrainian wins, unless it’s something extremely rare.
- Fauntleroy 3y ago
  This is natural when most of the users of the site support one side over the other
wolongong942 3y ago
It's more the fact that you NEVER get 2 sides on Reddit, every sub just turns into a circle jerk. Posting on Reddit is pointless unless you're just trying to validate your preexisting views.
- kitsunesoba 3y ago
  The problem is that for some reason, nuance is scarce in Reddit threads. It's not usually thoughtful, multifaceted opinions that get posted, but instead short, quippy, polarized statements that intentionally or otherwise come off as combative. It's not really possible to have a productive conversation like that, regardless of the topic. Everything degrades into an endless game of oneupmanship that escalates until the opinions being represented are distorted well beyond anything espoused by most people in real-life discussions.
  - lumb63 3y ago
    My girlfriend browses Reddit often so I’ve had the chance to see how a self-proclaimed heavy user interacts with the platform. After seeing that, it makes sense to me why the platform is how it is when compared to isolated forums or discussion boards. Reddit has two types of users, more or less: browsers and posters. The browsers will probably never post anything, or will post so rarely that it does not warrant mentioning. The regular posters will dominate the discussion in a given subreddit, and probably eventually moderate it, so there is a very strong in-group effect. The only way as an outsider to penetrate that in-group is to make well-liked, popular quips which pander to the moderators and browsers. On the contrary, a forum or discussion board typically has two classes of users, in my experience: active posters who contribute to discussions they want to, and lurkers, who are usually new, and are absorbing from current posters. There is an implicit assumption that users have probably been watching the forum for a while to get a lay of the land before posting and have read through a good amount of the site’s content, and when they post, they are accepted since they are aware of the conversation and can build on it. The culture of lurking and the desire of viewers to discuss topics with others is what keeps forums strong, IMO. In their place, Reddit has casual browsers who happen to see content and upvote it (effectively deciding democratically what others will see). When a large portion of users who have no intention to engage with others can dictate what their fellow members are most likely to see, it quickly degenerates to a “who can make the coolest comment” club.

Reddit hive mind latches onto feel good stories but ignores logic and history. Everything is black and white, good and evil to the average Redditor. It's best to avoid Reddit front page and large subs. PS. Reddit's transparent upvote system highly encourages popular and feel good opinions at the expense of accuracy. You can write a quality post backed by peer reviewed science but still get downvoted if it doesn't fit within a sub's consensus opinion.

conradfr 3y ago
The vote system became a lot more useless the day they removed the upvote/downvote counter.

ed25519FUUU 3y ago

Pro-war propaganda is the right way to look at it. The USA profits from a protracted war in Ukraine. All of that money we send just goes right back into the military industrial complex.

jazzyjackson 3y ago
I mean, on the whole we profit more by having a cheap source of competent labor adjacent to europe, but that doesn't stop the military-industrial-congressional complex from making sales.
- valvar 3y ago
  Europe does. The US? Not necessarily.
bee_rider 3y ago
If the US is happy with a protracted war, then isn’t pro-Ukraine propaganda anti-war? If we’re willing to keep supplying them indefinitely, it just becomes a matter of which country has the will/manpower to fight. Since Ukraine is fighting for their home, I guess they’ll have the willpower advantage. So, we should root for peace, achieved as soon as possibly, by the invaders leaving.
- ed25519FUUU 3y ago
  There are many ways to a cease fire, and one of them is an immediate withdrawal by Russia from all occupied territories.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    I don’t see a ton of other ways, it seems like anything else would require Ukraine to give up something, which is a pretty hard sell in response to an unprovoked invasion. (I mean obviously it is Ukraine’s right to decide if they want to, like, sacrifice some territory in exchange for a peace treaty, but they seem to have pretty good morale and Russia didn’t respect their previous agreement not to invade, so it seems like it would be hard to start negotiating).

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Giorgi 3y ago

Can't blame them, hard to be on invader's side who commits war crimes every hour and be doing it since Georgia invasions.

senttoschool 3y ago
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- Giorgi 3y ago
  Yes, US side, NATO side and Ukraine side, war crimes that US has committed are also very bad. Even though considering "whataboutism", Russians as a nation are universally hated among their neighbors, they invaded, killed and displaced and are currently occupying lands in Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, Kazakhstan etc. etc. And that would be main difference, while US bombs tyrannic regiments and topples dictatorships, Russia invades and is trying to annex their neighbors. It has economy roughly of a Spain and is basically a shithole thug regiment that needs to be dissolved and fast.
  - senttoschool 3y ago
    Yikes. I hope you realize that your views are extreme. One might even call that an extremist or terrorist. "When we kill people, it's because we're good. When they kill people, it's because they're evil." Note: Not a supporter nor an expert of Russia.
    - Giorgi 3y ago
      Wrong. These are not views, these are facts. Yes, Russia is a terrorist state. As I said, war crimes are wrong no matter the "side". However there is huge difference between bombing tyrants and dictators vs raping kids in Ukraine. Note: Sure.
- Fauntleroy 3y ago
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friendzis 3y ago

As much as there is propaganda praising Russia in this conflict, there is pro-Ukraine propaganda, nothing new about it. The fact that you do see one sided propaganda is just indicative of media outlets you use filtering the propaganda they feed you. Or in other words, construct narrative "our side is good, their side is bad". Why is it so hard for some people to accept that media outlets are filtering propaganda on other divisive topics too?

ycombinete 3y ago

Yeah. Even /r/CombatFootage only upvotes Ukrainian wins, unless it’s something extremely rare.

Fauntleroy 3y ago
This is natural when most of the users of the site support one side over the other

wolongong942 3y ago

It's more the fact that you NEVER get 2 sides on Reddit, every sub just turns into a circle jerk. Posting on Reddit is pointless unless you're just trying to validate your preexisting views.

kitsunesoba 3y ago
The problem is that for some reason, nuance is scarce in Reddit threads. It's not usually thoughtful, multifaceted opinions that get posted, but instead short, quippy, polarized statements that intentionally or otherwise come off as combative. It's not really possible to have a productive conversation like that, regardless of the topic. Everything degrades into an endless game of oneupmanship that escalates until the opinions being represented are distorted well beyond anything espoused by most people in real-life discussions.
- lumb63 3y ago
  My girlfriend browses Reddit often so I’ve had the chance to see how a self-proclaimed heavy user interacts with the platform. After seeing that, it makes sense to me why the platform is how it is when compared to isolated forums or discussion boards. Reddit has two types of users, more or less: browsers and posters. The browsers will probably never post anything, or will post so rarely that it does not warrant mentioning. The regular posters will dominate the discussion in a given subreddit, and probably eventually moderate it, so there is a very strong in-group effect. The only way as an outsider to penetrate that in-group is to make well-liked, popular quips which pander to the moderators and browsers. On the contrary, a forum or discussion board typically has two classes of users, in my experience: active posters who contribute to discussions they want to, and lurkers, who are usually new, and are absorbing from current posters. There is an implicit assumption that users have probably been watching the forum for a while to get a lay of the land before posting and have read through a good amount of the site’s content, and when they post, they are accepted since they are aware of the conversation and can build on it. The culture of lurking and the desire of viewers to discuss topics with others is what keeps forums strong, IMO. In their place, Reddit has casual browsers who happen to see content and upvote it (effectively deciding democratically what others will see). When a large portion of users who have no intention to engage with others can dictate what their fellow members are most likely to see, it quickly degenerates to a “who can make the coolest comment” club.