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Walking out to protest multiple rounds of layoffs may not be the power move you imagine.

mc32 3y ago
To quote a somewhat polarizing politician, what difference, at this point, does it make? But yeah, not the greatest timing…
lelanthran 3y ago
> Walking out to protest multiple rounds of layoffs may not be the power move you imagine. Sure it is, if you're unionised! I've seen decades of comments, even here on HN, from devs who say that unions are not necessary for software development. Welcome to the future, I guess?
- eastbound 3y ago
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  - the_only_law 3y ago
    Sounds like you’re perfectly qualified to start a union!
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > Unionization of computer scientists will not happen. Unionization requires low IQ and low ability to separate bullshit or teasing from reality, and software engineers are too clever to be gullible to unions. I think you're proving the case for unions, not (as you appear to think) arguing against them.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Despite all the ignorant ant-union talk on HN, this comment is easily taking the crown. It simultaniously fails to grasp what unions did for worker and employee rights and manages to insult all union memebers and, basically, most blue collar folks. Well done, now tell that opinion to your FAANG dirwctor and wait for the promotions to come your way.
  - soft_dough 3y ago
    Screen actors seem to like theirs, so do screen writers, producers, casting agents...
- junofan 3y ago
  Professional licensure would be great. The whole union thing is for people lower in the pay scale.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > Professional licensure would be great. The whole union thing is for people lower in the pay scale. Maybe, but in my view unionising is the first step on the way to establishing something similar to what doctors or lawyers or accountants have. I don't think it is possible to get to "Certified Professional Software Engineer" without first having "Union of Accredited Software Developers". And therein lies the biggest problem in establishing Professional Licensure: you cannot allow uncertified members. The medical, accounting, engineering and legal professions gatekeep like mad, with the first gate being "complete this degree or equivalent", and the second gate being "write these exams", with various smaller hurdles after that (malpractice insurance, annual dues, etc). I'd love professional licensure in our industry, but it's not going to happen.
    - junofan 3y ago
      That makes zero sense, sorry.
  - idlewords 3y ago
    Can't wait for the world where board certified PHP developers are disbarred for using GOTO

mc32 3y ago

To quote a somewhat polarizing politician, what difference, at this point, does it make? But yeah, not the greatest timing…

lelanthran 3y ago

> Walking out to protest multiple rounds of layoffs may not be the power move you imagine. Sure it is, if you're unionised! I've seen decades of comments, even here on HN, from devs who say that unions are not necessary for software development. Welcome to the future, I guess?

eastbound 3y ago
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- the_only_law 3y ago
  Sounds like you’re perfectly qualified to start a union!
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > Unionization of computer scientists will not happen. Unionization requires low IQ and low ability to separate bullshit or teasing from reality, and software engineers are too clever to be gullible to unions. I think you're proving the case for unions, not (as you appear to think) arguing against them.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Despite all the ignorant ant-union talk on HN, this comment is easily taking the crown. It simultaniously fails to grasp what unions did for worker and employee rights and manages to insult all union memebers and, basically, most blue collar folks. Well done, now tell that opinion to your FAANG dirwctor and wait for the promotions to come your way.
- soft_dough 3y ago
  Screen actors seem to like theirs, so do screen writers, producers, casting agents...
junofan 3y ago
Professional licensure would be great. The whole union thing is for people lower in the pay scale.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > Professional licensure would be great. The whole union thing is for people lower in the pay scale. Maybe, but in my view unionising is the first step on the way to establishing something similar to what doctors or lawyers or accountants have. I don't think it is possible to get to "Certified Professional Software Engineer" without first having "Union of Accredited Software Developers". And therein lies the biggest problem in establishing Professional Licensure: you cannot allow uncertified members. The medical, accounting, engineering and legal professions gatekeep like mad, with the first gate being "complete this degree or equivalent", and the second gate being "write these exams", with various smaller hurdles after that (malpractice insurance, annual dues, etc). I'd love professional licensure in our industry, but it's not going to happen.
  - junofan 3y ago
    That makes zero sense, sorry.
- idlewords 3y ago
  Can't wait for the world where board certified PHP developers are disbarred for using GOTO