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With return to office it's nowhere near enough on the west coast. Unless you hold a top position at a large corporation on the west coast you don't even have en
by Madmallard 3y ago
With return to office it's nowhere near enough on the west coast. Unless you hold a top position at a large corporation on the west coast you don't even have enough money to buy a house. Considering you're helping generate billions in revenue yeah, I'd say you should be being paid more.
- ghiculescu 3y agoThe only homeowners in CA, OR, and WA are top executives at large corporations?
- Madmallard 3y agoI know probably a dozen devs that I regularly talk to from school and the only ones with their own homes have been seniors or higher positions for half a decade or longer.
- beoberha 3y agoI bought a million dollar home in Seattle after less than 5 years of employment out of college at a publicly traded non-FAANG company in the area. It’s doable, you just need to compromise on location or luxury
- Madmallard 3y agoDefinitely the exception to the rule
- zeroonetwothree 3y agoA million dollar home only requires around 200-250k of income which isn’t that much for these areas. And if your partner is employed as well it’s even easier. I even know people that make sub 100k in the Bay Area that bought their own homes after 10-15 years of saving.
- qwerpy 3y agoI've been in the Seattle area since graduating and hung out with people in both the tech industry and in aerospace (Boeing, etc.). Everyone who wanted a house had one within 5 years of starting work. They were smaller, older houses in trendy neighborhoods or nicer houses in further out suburbs, depending on the person's preferences. Seemed a reasonable result for young adults in their late 20s.
- beoberha 3y agoThis isn’t true at all and paints a dangerously dystopian view of things. You could easily buy a home in Seattle or the neighboring area after 5 years of senior level employment at most publicly traded companies. It’s not going to be an amazing home and there certainly will be some sticker shock when comparing that price tag to most other cities, but it’s totally feasible. The idea that you need to have a “top position” is ludicrous
- Madmallard 3y ago5 years at senior level means 8 plus years in industry and you actually have to be promoted to seniority and it has to be at a company that actually pays well. It is far beyond reasonable considering the value that developers provide. So yeah, I think you're completely wrong.
- sv123 3y agoIf all Amazon engineers made a salary in their first year which enabled them to afford a Seattle home purchase, then home prices would rise even higher... Until you need to work for 8 years to afford one again.
- theK 3y agoFunny how senior came to be "has worked three years". Isn't it?
- Madmallard 3y agoI also said "and you actually have to be promoted to [it]"
- theK 3y agoApologies, this wasn't a jab directly at what you wrote. More of a general observation that there is a false understanding somewhere in this industry, that somebody who worked 3 years, realistically qualifies as a "Senior" Dev.
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