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Sounds like you’re assuming the blast radius would always be limited to the stock market?

by pohl 3y ago

chatmasta 3y ago
I guess in that case I'd amend "Wall Street's problem" to be "Wall Street's fault." But the fact that a Wall Street hiccup can impact the rest of society (note: in this case it did not), is a separate problem from deep fakes impacting either Wall Street or the rest of society. It's notable that news agencies (some of them) and Twitter users were able to suss out the fake news, even if Wall Street bots weren't able to. So as long as we aren't launching nukes based on unconfirmed tweets, then a little patience should be sufficient to avert most catastrophes that Wall Street would like to claim as our shared responsibility.
- pohl 3y ago
  I think you’re still leaving out a lot of scenarios that don’t involve stock trades.
  - chatmasta 3y ago
    Like what? Ultimately the rumor was quashed by readers and news agencies who identified it as fake (by checking if there really was an explosion at the pentagon). What scenarios should we be worried about, that we shouldn't also be worried about for any other kind of unconfirmed report? It's not like militaries are declaring war based on unconfirmed news (unless they created it...), so what other time-sensitive reactions do you have in mind that could cause catastrophe? I have trouble thinking of a scenario that could be caused specifically by deep fakes but not by any other kind of unconfirmed report. If someone is taking drastic action based on fake news, then the proximate problem is the drastic action, and the secondary issue is the fake news.
    - pohl 3y ago
      I’m sure the fine folks at Агентство интернет-исследований aren’t having a hard time coming up with ideas.
sneak 3y ago
The truth wins out on human timescales, generally speaking. It's just algorithmic trading and suchlike that gets fooled in the first few hundred seconds.

Sounds like you’re assuming the blast radius would always be limited to the stock market?

by pohl 3y ago

Sounds like you’re assuming the blast radius would always be limited to the stock market?

I guess in that case I'd amend "Wall Street's problem" to be "Wall Street's fault." But the fact that a Wall Street hiccup can impact the rest of society (note: in this case it did not), is a separate problem from deep fakes impacting either Wall Street or the rest of society. It's notable that news agencies (some of them) and Twitter users were able to suss out the fake news, even if Wall Street bots weren't able to. So as long as we aren't launching nukes based on unconfirmed tweets, then a little patience should be sufficient to avert most catastrophes that Wall Street would like to claim as our shared responsibility.

pohl 3y ago
I think you’re still leaving out a lot of scenarios that don’t involve stock trades.
- chatmasta 3y ago
  Like what? Ultimately the rumor was quashed by readers and news agencies who identified it as fake (by checking if there really was an explosion at the pentagon). What scenarios should we be worried about, that we shouldn't also be worried about for any other kind of unconfirmed report? It's not like militaries are declaring war based on unconfirmed news (unless they created it...), so what other time-sensitive reactions do you have in mind that could cause catastrophe? I have trouble thinking of a scenario that could be caused specifically by deep fakes but not by any other kind of unconfirmed report. If someone is taking drastic action based on fake news, then the proximate problem is the drastic action, and the secondary issue is the fake news.
  - pohl 3y ago
    I’m sure the fine folks at Агентство интернет-исследований aren’t having a hard time coming up with ideas.

sneak 3y ago

The truth wins out on human timescales, generally speaking. It's just algorithmic trading and suchlike that gets fooled in the first few hundred seconds.