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> As a matter of fact, it seems over my 40 years here that most of the time it's religious extremists who want to ban speech and literature It's weird how shor

> As a matter of fact, it seems over my 40 years here that most of the time it's religious extremists who want to ban speech and literature It's weird how short term people's memory is. It was only a few decades ago that certain mainstream political group wanted to make "violent video games" illegal. Their figurehead was a frontrunner for US president in 2016. You don't have to throw a stone very far to see that people on both sides want to ban free speech. Just look at how freaked out states like NY and California got over 3D printed gun files. Give them a few years and I guarantee they'll come after crypto next, if crypto stands in their way. The only thing I've learned is that everyone wants to claim they support free speech but they just mean "their" speech, not the other guy.

ok_dad 3y ago
Funny, there are a ton of violent video games still and tons of guns after all that uproar! Bit of a difference from actual, real life laws which were recently passed to effectively try and make being gay or transgender illegal; laws which have already started harming those communities in those places.
- COGlory 3y ago
  Genuine question: Which laws are you talking about that "try and make being gay or transgender illegal"?
  - vel0city 3y ago
    Well, there's a lot of grumbling about the Supreme Court potentially moving to overturn Griswold v. Connecticut. A number of Justices currently on the court don't seem super fond of that decision and it relates to the same concepts as Roe v. Wade. Getting rid of Griswold weakens Lawrence v. Texas, which eliminating that would immediately make homosexual sex illegal in several states.
    - 9dev 3y ago
      That isn’t a law but a court decision, isn’t it?
      - salawat 3y ago
        In the U.S., that would be considered "case law" and is a corner stone of common law systems. There's statutory law, which is the law as written, then there is case law, which is the "found law" established by courts adjudicating and being bound by the precedents established in the process of doing so via stare decisis. ...That all goes out the window once your judiciary becomes an extension of the political apparatus of course. Once that happens, your courts will just start creatively reinterpreting what things mean to most effectively and comfortably bring about what they deem to be the way to go. Hence why Roe v. Wade, while being a great thing, was ultimately bad jurisprudence.
      - vel0city 3y ago
        There are already laws on the books in many jurisdictions, but they're not in effect at the moment because of this case law. The moment a case overturning Lawrence happens, the laws instantly go back into effect. Also, if a state feels it's time to try it again, they might just go ahead and enforce this law to make this kind of a case happen again, hoping the SC comes to a different decision.

ok_dad 3y ago

Funny, there are a ton of violent video games still and tons of guns after all that uproar! Bit of a difference from actual, real life laws which were recently passed to effectively try and make being gay or transgender illegal; laws which have already started harming those communities in those places.

COGlory 3y ago
Genuine question: Which laws are you talking about that "try and make being gay or transgender illegal"?
- vel0city 3y ago
  Well, there's a lot of grumbling about the Supreme Court potentially moving to overturn Griswold v. Connecticut. A number of Justices currently on the court don't seem super fond of that decision and it relates to the same concepts as Roe v. Wade. Getting rid of Griswold weakens Lawrence v. Texas, which eliminating that would immediately make homosexual sex illegal in several states.
  - 9dev 3y ago
    That isn’t a law but a court decision, isn’t it?
    - salawat 3y ago
      In the U.S., that would be considered "case law" and is a corner stone of common law systems. There's statutory law, which is the law as written, then there is case law, which is the "found law" established by courts adjudicating and being bound by the precedents established in the process of doing so via stare decisis. ...That all goes out the window once your judiciary becomes an extension of the political apparatus of course. Once that happens, your courts will just start creatively reinterpreting what things mean to most effectively and comfortably bring about what they deem to be the way to go. Hence why Roe v. Wade, while being a great thing, was ultimately bad jurisprudence.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      There are already laws on the books in many jurisdictions, but they're not in effect at the moment because of this case law. The moment a case overturning Lawrence happens, the laws instantly go back into effect. Also, if a state feels it's time to try it again, they might just go ahead and enforce this law to make this kind of a case happen again, hoping the SC comes to a different decision.