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Idk if they have the “right” to violate privacy (or whatever) I think that the US government just does it and they don’t care. It would be great if the US (and

Idk if they have the “right” to violate privacy (or whatever) I think that the US government just does it and they don’t care. It would be great if the US (and Chinese) governments didn’t act in this way (I’m sure the EU would act in the same way if they had tech companies) but it seems to be their nature.

peterashford 3y ago
"...if [The EU] had tech companies"?
lmm 3y ago
> Idk if they have the “right” to violate privacy (or whatever) I think that the US government just does it and they don’t care. No, the problem is that the US has specific laws that allows the government to require companies to secretly violate privacy, and punish them if they refuse, or even for just disclosing that the request was made.
- lifeisstillgood 3y ago
  I am pretty sure China and Russia have similar laws. Its just if a Chinese company tried putting a canary on their annual report they would find someone explain the difference between "letter" and "spirit" very clearly. The administrations of china and the USA are different of course, but not so different. The big difference is in the institutions and norms.
  - lmm 3y ago
    > I am pretty sure China and Russia have similar laws. Transferring the private data of EU citizens to China or Russia would also be a major crime. > The big difference is in the institutions and norms. In theory yes; however the US has a strong norm of following the letter of the law, so what the letter of the US law says is important.
    - peterashford 3y ago
      " the US has a strong norm of following the letter of the law" The US Government doesnt
      - lmm 3y ago
        Yes they do - why else would they write so many careful loopholes into their laws?
        smsm42 3y ago
        Then they just ignore the law altogether. Like FBI making almost 300k illegal searches. Because they can. https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2023/05/21/fisa-the-fbi-and-278k-illegal-searches-n2623515 https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2023/05/21/f... There will be no consequences whatsoever to anyone involved. The laws are for you to obey and for them to prosecute you, not the other way around.

peterashford 3y ago

"...if [The EU] had tech companies"?

lmm 3y ago

> Idk if they have the “right” to violate privacy (or whatever) I think that the US government just does it and they don’t care. No, the problem is that the US has specific laws that allows the government to require companies to secretly violate privacy, and punish them if they refuse, or even for just disclosing that the request was made.

lifeisstillgood 3y ago
I am pretty sure China and Russia have similar laws. Its just if a Chinese company tried putting a canary on their annual report they would find someone explain the difference between "letter" and "spirit" very clearly. The administrations of china and the USA are different of course, but not so different. The big difference is in the institutions and norms.
- lmm 3y ago
  > I am pretty sure China and Russia have similar laws. Transferring the private data of EU citizens to China or Russia would also be a major crime. > The big difference is in the institutions and norms. In theory yes; however the US has a strong norm of following the letter of the law, so what the letter of the US law says is important.
  - peterashford 3y ago
    " the US has a strong norm of following the letter of the law" The US Government doesnt
    - lmm 3y ago
      Yes they do - why else would they write so many careful loopholes into their laws?
      - smsm42 3y ago
        Then they just ignore the law altogether. Like FBI making almost 300k illegal searches. Because they can. https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2023/05/21/fisa-the-fbi-and-278k-illegal-searches-n2623515 https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2023/05/21/f... There will be no consequences whatsoever to anyone involved. The laws are for you to obey and for them to prosecute you, not the other way around.