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I don't think right wing media talks about Gebru's paper much one way or another. Please avoid the shallow dismissals. Unless you'd like every post you make to

I don't think right wing media talks about Gebru's paper much one way or another. Please avoid the shallow dismissals. Unless you'd like every post you make to get a reply like, "wow guardian reader much? let me guess, you think the world is gonna end in 5 years?". It's not very interesting to read. Debate the points or don't bother.

mempko 3y ago
> nothing because universities are so obsessed with race ideology they'd happily award black females computing-related qualifications on the back of nothing Just look at the point you made! This is exactly what right wing media talks about constantly. Not about Gebru, but that someone like Gebru is where she is not because of merit. Your point is completely baseless and my dismissal of it isn't shallow. Where do you suspect your point, that I quoted above, comes from? Does it come from your own personal experience? Studies and statistics? Or somewhere else? My point is that it's baseless and comes from right wing media. We are all biased based on what we read and hear. Points made without anything to back them are shallow, not those critiquing them.
- revelio 3y ago
  The point isn't baseless because universities and corporations themselves - not "right wing media" - constantly talk publicly about how desperate they are to hire more women and blacks, and sometimes even how they're explicitly removing merit as criteria. The media thing you've come up with there is entirely your own projection; I never mentioned media and don't read or watch American media as I don't even live there. You don't need to though, to understand what institutions are doing because they say so in their own press releases and even research papers. Here's one such case from within the last month. Some academics did a study on themselves trying to find misogyny and were surprised to find pervasive and systematic bias against hiring men. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35762380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35762380 Absolutely nobody outside of hard-left bubbles is surprised by this because it's exactly what they constantly say they will do e.g. https://www.universityaffairs.ca/news/news-article/universities-are-ramping-up-targeted-hiring-to-meet-crc-equity-goals/ https://www.universityaffairs.ca/news/news-article/universit... Besides, think about how biased your framing is. The problem here isn't that it's a right wing talking point. The problem is that the left wing media refuse to tell anyone what's happening because it aligns with their ideological agenda. The fact that universities - places that claim to be merit based - are systematically doing the opposite actually is news. The left censoring discussion of it in forums they control does not make it a "right wing talking point".

mempko 3y ago

> nothing because universities are so obsessed with race ideology they'd happily award black females computing-related qualifications on the back of nothing Just look at the point you made! This is exactly what right wing media talks about constantly. Not about Gebru, but that someone like Gebru is where she is not because of merit. Your point is completely baseless and my dismissal of it isn't shallow. Where do you suspect your point, that I quoted above, comes from? Does it come from your own personal experience? Studies and statistics? Or somewhere else? My point is that it's baseless and comes from right wing media. We are all biased based on what we read and hear. Points made without anything to back them are shallow, not those critiquing them.

revelio 3y ago
The point isn't baseless because universities and corporations themselves - not "right wing media" - constantly talk publicly about how desperate they are to hire more women and blacks, and sometimes even how they're explicitly removing merit as criteria. The media thing you've come up with there is entirely your own projection; I never mentioned media and don't read or watch American media as I don't even live there. You don't need to though, to understand what institutions are doing because they say so in their own press releases and even research papers. Here's one such case from within the last month. Some academics did a study on themselves trying to find misogyny and were surprised to find pervasive and systematic bias against hiring men. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35762380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35762380 Absolutely nobody outside of hard-left bubbles is surprised by this because it's exactly what they constantly say they will do e.g. https://www.universityaffairs.ca/news/news-article/universities-are-ramping-up-targeted-hiring-to-meet-crc-equity-goals/ https://www.universityaffairs.ca/news/news-article/universit... Besides, think about how biased your framing is. The problem here isn't that it's a right wing talking point. The problem is that the left wing media refuse to tell anyone what's happening because it aligns with their ideological agenda. The fact that universities - places that claim to be merit based - are systematically doing the opposite actually is news. The left censoring discussion of it in forums they control does not make it a "right wing talking point".