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And if they go to the website?

tgv 3y ago
Then their browser can get that data from another server. It may be more complex, no, it is more complex than storing everything in one large database, but it can be done.
- scarface74 3y ago
  And that also gets rid of caching closer to the user and now you have multiple servers and no source of truth. You really don’t see the added complexity of this and how this makes a worse user experience?
  - tgv 3y ago
    > You really don’t see the added complexity of this and how this makes a worse user experience? Bluntly said: IDGAF, and neither should you. Who cares if it's harder for facebook/meta to program? Must we waive our rights because of incompetent or cheap engineering?
    - scarface74 3y ago
      It’s not harder for Facebook. It makes a worse user experience - just like the GDPR. You didn’t waive your rights. You as an adult have the right to not use Facebook instead of waiting for the nanny state to “protect you”
      - tgv 3y ago
        The GDPR does make UX worse. If you have to click away a cookie banner, it's because companies love to try to coax you into accepting as many cookies as they can get their grubby hands on. Storing a cookie for session administration is acceptable. You don't even have to announce it. It wouldn't make much sense, because it's less useful than your IP address (for the purposes of tracking). Only if the site wants to do more, it must get the user's permission. > nanny state Sadly, technology is nearly incomprehensible to most people, and the state must protect their rights. The rest is either an authoritarian or libertarian fantasy under the pretense of liberty.
        scarface74 3y ago
        > Sadly, technology is nearly incomprehensible to most people, and the state must protect their rights. The rest is either an authoritarian or libertarian fantasy under the pretense of liberty. So I’m sure you’re in favor of Apple’s “walled garden” to protect ignorant users, you want to make alcohol, cigarettes, sugar and everything else illegal that’s bad for users? It’s sad that so many people are willing to give up their own agency because they don’t trust themselves to make intelligent choices.
        tchaffee 3y ago
        No one gave up their agency. The laws are a reflection of choices people freely made of their own will about how they want their data protected.
        scarface74 3y ago
        People didn’t make the choice. The government did.
        tchaffee 3y ago
        People elected the government. The people made the choice. GDPR and other privacy protections are also widely supported by most people in Europe. It's so popular with the average person that vver 17 countries have already adopted laws based on GDPR. And it's common sense: most people like privacy and don't like someone invading their privacy.
        tgv 3y ago
        So you're a libertarian, I guess. Abolishing protection doesn't bring freedom, it brings anarchy and in its wake, the right of the strongest. Look at the 19th century. Do you want to live in Dickensian horror? Because that's the alternative. There's no bucolic paradise awaiting after abolishing labor and health regulations. There's only exploitation of the weak. We give up a bit of control to avoid losing more. That's a social contract that has worked very well, and I'd like to keep it that way. I'm sure you also benefit from it.
      - tchaffee 3y ago
        The owner of Facebook and as an adult have the right to not do business in countries where you can't reasonably obey the laws.
  - tchaffee 3y ago
    Worse user experience depends on your priorities. Some people and companies think privacy is an essential UX factor. Apple, the most successful company in the world from time to time, agrees.
    - scarface74 3y ago
      What do you think the Venn Diagram overlap of people who “care about their privacy” and use Facebook is? Do you think the overwhelming amount of people say that they really glad that cookie banners infest the internet is a good thing? If you haven’t heard, Apple is not exactly great at social media or anything that your data needs to be synced between devices.
      - tchaffee 3y ago
        Facebook operates in the EU and the majority of EU citizens prefer their privacy. Facebook must obey the laws of the land if they want to operate there. Just as Facebook must obey Apple's rules if they want to be in the app store. Similar privacy laws applied to some EU phone companies long before Facebook existed. These laws are good and should stay. If better privacy has side effects, that's fine. Do business elsewhere if you don't like the legal preferences of the locals.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        If the majority of people preferred their privacy, would they really be using Facebook? And you never answered the question, how do you have a social graph with people in the US or send messages to people in the US without storing data in the US?
        tchaffee 3y ago
        Yes, they would. Not my problem how you implement it. That's Facebook's problem. My rate is $600 an hour and I'll guarantee I can come up with a GDPR compliant solution within a year or you don't have to pay. That's far less expensive than the fines, isn't it?

tgv 3y ago

Then their browser can get that data from another server. It may be more complex, no, it is more complex than storing everything in one large database, but it can be done.

scarface74 3y ago
And that also gets rid of caching closer to the user and now you have multiple servers and no source of truth. You really don’t see the added complexity of this and how this makes a worse user experience?
- tgv 3y ago
  > You really don’t see the added complexity of this and how this makes a worse user experience? Bluntly said: IDGAF, and neither should you. Who cares if it's harder for facebook/meta to program? Must we waive our rights because of incompetent or cheap engineering?
  - scarface74 3y ago
    It’s not harder for Facebook. It makes a worse user experience - just like the GDPR. You didn’t waive your rights. You as an adult have the right to not use Facebook instead of waiting for the nanny state to “protect you”
    - tgv 3y ago
      The GDPR does make UX worse. If you have to click away a cookie banner, it's because companies love to try to coax you into accepting as many cookies as they can get their grubby hands on. Storing a cookie for session administration is acceptable. You don't even have to announce it. It wouldn't make much sense, because it's less useful than your IP address (for the purposes of tracking). Only if the site wants to do more, it must get the user's permission. > nanny state Sadly, technology is nearly incomprehensible to most people, and the state must protect their rights. The rest is either an authoritarian or libertarian fantasy under the pretense of liberty.
      - scarface74 3y ago
        > Sadly, technology is nearly incomprehensible to most people, and the state must protect their rights. The rest is either an authoritarian or libertarian fantasy under the pretense of liberty. So I’m sure you’re in favor of Apple’s “walled garden” to protect ignorant users, you want to make alcohol, cigarettes, sugar and everything else illegal that’s bad for users? It’s sad that so many people are willing to give up their own agency because they don’t trust themselves to make intelligent choices.
        tchaffee 3y ago
        No one gave up their agency. The laws are a reflection of choices people freely made of their own will about how they want their data protected.
        scarface74 3y ago
        People didn’t make the choice. The government did.
        tchaffee 3y ago
        People elected the government. The people made the choice. GDPR and other privacy protections are also widely supported by most people in Europe. It's so popular with the average person that vver 17 countries have already adopted laws based on GDPR. And it's common sense: most people like privacy and don't like someone invading their privacy.
        tgv 3y ago
        So you're a libertarian, I guess. Abolishing protection doesn't bring freedom, it brings anarchy and in its wake, the right of the strongest. Look at the 19th century. Do you want to live in Dickensian horror? Because that's the alternative. There's no bucolic paradise awaiting after abolishing labor and health regulations. There's only exploitation of the weak. We give up a bit of control to avoid losing more. That's a social contract that has worked very well, and I'd like to keep it that way. I'm sure you also benefit from it.
    - tchaffee 3y ago
      The owner of Facebook and as an adult have the right to not do business in countries where you can't reasonably obey the laws.
- tchaffee 3y ago
  Worse user experience depends on your priorities. Some people and companies think privacy is an essential UX factor. Apple, the most successful company in the world from time to time, agrees.
  - scarface74 3y ago
    What do you think the Venn Diagram overlap of people who “care about their privacy” and use Facebook is? Do you think the overwhelming amount of people say that they really glad that cookie banners infest the internet is a good thing? If you haven’t heard, Apple is not exactly great at social media or anything that your data needs to be synced between devices.
    - tchaffee 3y ago
      Facebook operates in the EU and the majority of EU citizens prefer their privacy. Facebook must obey the laws of the land if they want to operate there. Just as Facebook must obey Apple's rules if they want to be in the app store. Similar privacy laws applied to some EU phone companies long before Facebook existed. These laws are good and should stay. If better privacy has side effects, that's fine. Do business elsewhere if you don't like the legal preferences of the locals.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        If the majority of people preferred their privacy, would they really be using Facebook? And you never answered the question, how do you have a social graph with people in the US or send messages to people in the US without storing data in the US?
        tchaffee 3y ago
        Yes, they would. Not my problem how you implement it. That's Facebook's problem. My rate is $600 an hour and I'll guarantee I can come up with a GDPR compliant solution within a year or you don't have to pay. That's far less expensive than the fines, isn't it?