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For the Russians it was much worse. A claim that is repeated ad nauseam, but entirely without evidence. Reminder: At the beginning of the year the BBC had a co

For the Russians it was much worse. A claim that is repeated ad nauseam, but entirely without evidence. Reminder: At the beginning of the year the BBC had a count of 20k. You can double or triple that if you like but it’s never going to be close to what (pro-)Ukrainians claim. Also: The number of Wagner fighters gets way exaggerated. They were at a numerical disadvantage till the end. managed to build up an enormous defense around the city That’s not how it works. They spent years turning Bakhmut into a giant fortress city. (They even wrote that stupid song about it.) They fought tooth and nails over it. They rotated dozens of brigades through it, an untold number of men. But it just was not enough. This is not their last shot at a defense in the region, but it was their best. offense has been effectively halted What offense? Only major Russian operation so far this year was Bakhmut. They are not in a rush. So they can rule the ruins of Bakhmut, for a little while? Couple months ago, per Zelensky, Bakhmut was strategically vital and not to be lost. Let me guess, a ruse? “Dumb orcs hehe” The Ukrainians will push back now. Oh, they will almost inevitably do something, somewhere. But the fact that they managed to retake a lightly-defended area that one time gives people all kinds of crazy ideas. Sure, they will probably manage an advance somewhere (at great cost, of course), get stuck after a couple days … and then what? Think Putler’s just going to nope out of the war because Twitter NAFOids are in ecstasy? My bet is they will encircle what's left of Bakhmut How? With what units? Not only did they send their best units to Bakhmut, they had to send some of their fresh, Western-trained ones too. Which were under strength in the first place.

fauxpause_ 3y ago
Here is Russian ultra nationalist Girkin’s take https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1660273337744982023?cxt=HHwWjoC85bvzvIouAAAA https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1660273337744982023... > Oh, they will almost inevitably do something, somewhere. But the fact that they managed to retake a lightly-defended area that one time gives people all kinds of crazy ideas. That lightly defended area was 12000 km.
- rainworld 3y ago
  Gonna let you in on a little secret: Colonel Girkin has never not been fulfilling his duty, not now and and not in 2014. Make of that what you will.
  - fauxpause_ 3y ago
    Neither have most Russia military men
Gud 3y ago
Sorry man but you are delusional if you think this is the best the Ukrainians have got. The Russians are in for a world of hurt. While the Russians have depleted their forces, the Ukrainians have spent the winter training on modern military equipment from the west. As one example of many, take a look at this: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-brigade-was-trained-in-sweden-media/ https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-brigade-was-trained-in-s... So far nothing the Ukrainians have used comes close to the above mentioned brigade. The Russians don’t have anything to match. In addition, they have one massive advantage which is the continuous support of the U.S. intelligence services, nothing the Russians have come close. I don’t doubt the Russians are continuously improving their strategy and tactics - not hard considering how badly they’ve been doing since the war started.
- rainworld 3y ago
  If this war has shown one thing it’s that the thing that matters most is mass: Massed artillery fire, millions of shells, thousands of armoured vehicles, and so on. A couple of glorified regiments, green ones at that? That’s not it. No matter the quality of the gear and training. The West is not prepared for industrial warfare, and inexplicably to me they are barely trying to change that. Massed hot air but not much to show for it. (And besides, the fact that in Bakhmut the Ukrainian army with plenty of Western gear and training got beat by Wagner plus artillery support alone should get you to question the notion of qualitative superiority. And I just don’t understand how people can come to the conclusion that the Russian forces in Ukraine are depleted when they’ve at least doubled in size, and gear just keeps pouring in.) Ultimately, we don’t have to fight here, by all acounts Ukrainians are going to show us in a few days what they can or cannot do. And then we’ll see.
  - avereveard 3y ago
    > The West is not prepared for industrial warfare The west cleared the floor with massed russian equipment, twice, maintaining 1:100 attrition rate while crossing an ocean. But the rest of the post is not far off. ukr is on the back footing, and fog of war is very unidirectional, which means we're consuming propaganda, and its best not to form opinion out of it. > plenty of Western gear one fact tho remains, which is that we haven't seen yet combat footage from ifv and tanks delivered, so ukr forces are not yet fully committed, which seems positive.
rasz 3y ago
>What offense? Only major Russian operation so far this year was Bakhmut. They are not in a rush. a little revisionary take. Bakhmut is the only one they want to talk about out loud, all the other attempts fail so bad its treason even mentioning them in the motherland. One example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Avdiivka_(2022%E2%80%932023) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Avdiivka_(2022%E2%80... and whatever 10th Tank Regiment was doing around there last month losing another commander and tons of armor for zero progress. This is standard ru attack https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660706066726887430 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660706066726887430 followed by mopping up prisoners by AFU https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660707781391839232 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660707781391839232 Its been over a year and ru are still passing tanks burned on a mine because nobody would mine sides of the road, right? Bilohorivka https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660374809316937729 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660374809316937729 6th time a charm? apparently not https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660562311432531968 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660562311432531968

fauxpause_ 3y ago

Here is Russian ultra nationalist Girkin’s take https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1660273337744982023?cxt=HHwWjoC85bvzvIouAAAA https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1660273337744982023... > Oh, they will almost inevitably do something, somewhere. But the fact that they managed to retake a lightly-defended area that one time gives people all kinds of crazy ideas. That lightly defended area was 12000 km.

rainworld 3y ago
Gonna let you in on a little secret: Colonel Girkin has never not been fulfilling his duty, not now and and not in 2014. Make of that what you will.
- fauxpause_ 3y ago
  Neither have most Russia military men

Gud 3y ago

Sorry man but you are delusional if you think this is the best the Ukrainians have got. The Russians are in for a world of hurt. While the Russians have depleted their forces, the Ukrainians have spent the winter training on modern military equipment from the west. As one example of many, take a look at this: https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-brigade-was-trained-in-sweden-media/ https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-brigade-was-trained-in-s... So far nothing the Ukrainians have used comes close to the above mentioned brigade. The Russians don’t have anything to match. In addition, they have one massive advantage which is the continuous support of the U.S. intelligence services, nothing the Russians have come close. I don’t doubt the Russians are continuously improving their strategy and tactics - not hard considering how badly they’ve been doing since the war started.

rainworld 3y ago
If this war has shown one thing it’s that the thing that matters most is mass: Massed artillery fire, millions of shells, thousands of armoured vehicles, and so on. A couple of glorified regiments, green ones at that? That’s not it. No matter the quality of the gear and training. The West is not prepared for industrial warfare, and inexplicably to me they are barely trying to change that. Massed hot air but not much to show for it. (And besides, the fact that in Bakhmut the Ukrainian army with plenty of Western gear and training got beat by Wagner plus artillery support alone should get you to question the notion of qualitative superiority. And I just don’t understand how people can come to the conclusion that the Russian forces in Ukraine are depleted when they’ve at least doubled in size, and gear just keeps pouring in.) Ultimately, we don’t have to fight here, by all acounts Ukrainians are going to show us in a few days what they can or cannot do. And then we’ll see.
- avereveard 3y ago
  > The West is not prepared for industrial warfare The west cleared the floor with massed russian equipment, twice, maintaining 1:100 attrition rate while crossing an ocean. But the rest of the post is not far off. ukr is on the back footing, and fog of war is very unidirectional, which means we're consuming propaganda, and its best not to form opinion out of it. > plenty of Western gear one fact tho remains, which is that we haven't seen yet combat footage from ifv and tanks delivered, so ukr forces are not yet fully committed, which seems positive.

rasz 3y ago

>What offense? Only major Russian operation so far this year was Bakhmut. They are not in a rush. a little revisionary take. Bakhmut is the only one they want to talk about out loud, all the other attempts fail so bad its treason even mentioning them in the motherland. One example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Avdiivka_(2022%E2%80%932023) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Avdiivka_(2022%E2%80... and whatever 10th Tank Regiment was doing around there last month losing another commander and tons of armor for zero progress. This is standard ru attack https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660706066726887430 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660706066726887430 followed by mopping up prisoners by AFU https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660707781391839232 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660707781391839232 Its been over a year and ru are still passing tanks burned on a mine because nobody would mine sides of the road, right? Bilohorivka https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660374809316937729 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660374809316937729 6th time a charm? apparently not https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660562311432531968 https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1660562311432531968