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> Do you see Ukraine as a sovereign country ... To be honest, I am not sure what sovereign means at this point. For example it seems most European countries ar

by wsc981 3y ago

> Do you see Ukraine as a sovereign country ... To be honest, I am not sure what sovereign means at this point. For example it seems most European countries are just lapdogs of US interests. Which was especially clear when US bombed to German pipeline and Germany acts like nothing has happened.

r2_pilot 3y ago
Please cite your source with regards to the alleged US pipeline bombing; I currently am unaware of credible sources with any public knowledge of the event in question. I would love to know more, but, surprisingly(/s), not much info has been released.
- wsc981 3y ago
  Don’t need any sources on this, as several US state officials, even Biden, stated they would do this if the US invaded Ukraine. Biden even stated this in a press conference with Olaf Schulz standing next beside him [0], but again there were more US officials making similar statements. You can wait for “official” proof, while I am sure US officials weren’t making practical jokes. ——— [0]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8
  - lisasays 3y ago
    Several US state officials, even Biden, stated they would do this if the US invaded Ukraine. They stated what, specifically? That they would literally bomb the pipeline? You need to be at least a little more careful with these cognitive distortions you're pushing. Remember, in order for them to work - they need to be at least logically plausible, and in some way grounded in believable, every day reality.
  - jcranmer 3y ago
    I've watched that clip, and quite frankly, looking at the entire context of the press conference and the tone of voice of the answer, it's clear to me that he wasn't in the middle of planning any attempts to sabotage the pipeline. Recall that this is a press conference essentially announcing that Germany agreed NordStream 2 will not open if Russia openly invades Ukraine, that Biden is (by this time) sitting on very reliable evidence saying that Russia is planning to imminently openly invade Ukraine, and the reporter is asking "okay, what if Russia doesn't openly invade Ukraine?", whereupon the answer is effectively "that's not gonna happen."
    - lisasays 3y ago
      Right -- all that was ever said at the time was that the pipeline would be put on hold. Not "bombed" as the commenter above yours is perfectly aware.

by wsc981 3y ago

r2_pilot 3y ago

Please cite your source with regards to the alleged US pipeline bombing; I currently am unaware of credible sources with any public knowledge of the event in question. I would love to know more, but, surprisingly(/s), not much info has been released.

wsc981 3y ago
Don’t need any sources on this, as several US state officials, even Biden, stated they would do this if the US invaded Ukraine. Biden even stated this in a press conference with Olaf Schulz standing next beside him [0], but again there were more US officials making similar statements. You can wait for “official” proof, while I am sure US officials weren’t making practical jokes. ——— [0]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8
- lisasays 3y ago
  Several US state officials, even Biden, stated they would do this if the US invaded Ukraine. They stated what, specifically? That they would literally bomb the pipeline? You need to be at least a little more careful with these cognitive distortions you're pushing. Remember, in order for them to work - they need to be at least logically plausible, and in some way grounded in believable, every day reality.
- jcranmer 3y ago
  I've watched that clip, and quite frankly, looking at the entire context of the press conference and the tone of voice of the answer, it's clear to me that he wasn't in the middle of planning any attempts to sabotage the pipeline. Recall that this is a press conference essentially announcing that Germany agreed NordStream 2 will not open if Russia openly invades Ukraine, that Biden is (by this time) sitting on very reliable evidence saying that Russia is planning to imminently openly invade Ukraine, and the reporter is asking "okay, what if Russia doesn't openly invade Ukraine?", whereupon the answer is effectively "that's not gonna happen."
  - lisasays 3y ago
    Right -- all that was ever said at the time was that the pipeline would be put on hold. Not "bombed" as the commenter above yours is perfectly aware.