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Why are Russia wishes regarding who Ukraine allies with more important than Ukraine’s wishes?
by amanaplanacanal 3y ago
Why are Russia wishes regarding who Ukraine allies with more important than Ukraine’s wishes?
- wsc981 3y ago> Why are Russia wishes regarding who Ukraine allies with more important than Ukraine’s wishes? In this regard I think so yes. For stability in the world it's a better situation.
- objektif 3y agoWhat are the wishes of Ukraine? Are you talking about Zelensky or People of Ukraine? Not very long ago US orchestrated a coup in the country so it is all meddled.
- wsc981 3y agoYes, it is all meddled. Victoria Nuland was one of the main orchestrators regarding the Ukraine coup, quite clear when hearing the leaked phone call in which see also stated "fuck the EU" (might help people find the audio when Googling).
- objektif 3y ago[flagged]
- lisasays 3y agoA spy, no. Just unfortunately living in the bubble of whatever blogs and other ideologically warped news sources you're reading. No one in (mainstream) Ukrainian society believes in the "coup" or attaches any special significance to that allegedly pivotal and far-reaching Nuland exchange.
- objektif 3y agoBlogs? I am listening to experts instead of watching CNN and cheering for yet another war the US have pushed forward for. Here is an example for your education: https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-the-Ukraine-Crisis-Is.pdf https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-t... When you say No one again who are you speaking on behalf of? People of Donbas?
- lisasays 3y agoYou know that just because some professor somewhere says something (in a way that makes it sound high-minded and respectable) -- that doesn't make it so, right?
- objektif 3y agoCorrect and same applies to you me and everyone else. The bottom line is you are an idiot if you flat out deny the perspective of people who are more knowledgeable than you are on this topic.
- lisasays 3y agoI don't deny Mearsheimer's views on Ukraine at all. On the contrary, I believe we should let them stand for what they are - as a shining example of Orwell's famous mamxim: “One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.”
- MichaelZuo 3y agoI think most passing readers would assess the likelihood relative to Mearsheimer not in your favour.
- runsWphotons 3y agoImagine Mexico joined an alliance with China, complete with funding and transfer of weapons, that said any attack on any other Chinese aligned territory (or say taiwan) obligated Mexico to strike the US. This would never be tolerated in a million years. This doesn't make Russia in the right, but get real here---there are degrees of actual sovereignty, and few nations have class A shares.
- lisasays 3y agoExcept that -- given Ukraine's history vis-a-vis Russia since the 19th century -- that's nowhere near an appropriate analogy.
- runsWphotons 3y agoDo you know about Texas?
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- lisasays 3y agoEnough, please. None of these ridiculous comparisons have anything to do with the current situation.
- mrguyorama 3y agoActually that's a great analogy. It would be like if the US tried to invade and conquer parts of Mexico and turn it into a new state in the year 2023. You know, that thing that will never fucking happen. We also invaded Canada a couple times back when we were dumber, but notice how Canada and Mexico are actually pretty pleased to be our allies, despite our faults, and they aren't seeking protection from foreign alliances to prevent us invading them again, because they largely believe we would never do that again, because the world is very different and we are very intertwined and wish to be cooperating countries.
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