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> is perceived as micro aggressions but the recipient feels and infers an intent. > I don't compliment coworkers cars any longer. I'm starting to think these

> is perceived as micro aggressions but the recipient feels and infers an intent. > I don't compliment coworkers cars any longer. I'm starting to think these "micro aggressions" are just a way to keep a culture war going, because some groups need a cause to fight for (for political reasons). It reminds me of the whole master vs main debate. A (black) engineer colleague of mine told me about his team's effort to change master to main. The whole initiative was started by a rainbow colored hair (white) PM and since it was what they believed to be a highly visible and easy fix, grew to a team of 5. All non-technical PMs of course. They ended up producing a "manifesto of inclusive software" where they listed every word they considered offensive and what it should be replaced with and made a very public announcement regarding the change. The only response to their email was my (black) colleague asking if the branch renaming could be postponed to after a release because he didn't know what it could break in the build and release automation in case "master" is hard-coded somewhere. This apparently started a lengthy thread between him and the 5 PMs where they explained to him that the reason he wasn't supportive of the change was because of the "systemic and cultural racism" he apparently internalized.

rayiner 3y ago
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- onetimeusename 3y ago
  and yet non white people do agree on things like white privilege and microaggressions. Non white people overwhelmingly support politics that reflects a view that white people are racist and privileged. It's seen in things like this poll https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/12/17/views-on-race-and-immigration/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/12/17/views-on-rac.... If the majority of non white people[1] support those politics, how is it a conspiracy by liberal whites? It sounds like it's affirmatively popular to reengineer society. [1]: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-11-16/poll-many-americans-dont-believe-systemic-racism-exists https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-11-16/...
  - rayiner 3y ago
    The poll you link addresses people “who say white people benefit from advantages in society that black people do not have.” That’s self-evidently true: for example, white people have more wealth than black people. They are much more likely to have college degrees. Etc. You could also say “WASPs benefit from advantages in society that Appalachians don’t have” and it would be equally true. But a majority of non-whites also oppose racial preferences for college: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/04/26/u-s-public-continues-to-view-grades-test-scores-as-top-factors-in-college-admissions/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/04/26/u-s-publi..., and jobs: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/04/PSDT_05.01.19_diversity-00-05.png https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads.... That includes a majority of black people in both cases. The majority of black and Latino people also don’t find common “micro aggressions” offensive. https://contexts.org/blog/who-gets-to-define-whats-racist https://contexts.org/blog/who-gets-to-define-whats-racist Racial preferences and quotas, and language policing are the most prominent of the concrete policies championed by white liberals who use phrases like “white privilege,” and most minorities don’t support either.
    - onetimeusename 3y ago
      The poll I linked shows a difference in thought among white vs Hispanic vs Black perceptions of whether or not whites benefit from advantages in society. I don't see any definition of what a societal advantage is; it may be income. My point was more that races don't agree on whether whites have societal advantages which is very serious if policies are based on that. Things like university admissions, scholarships, and job applications do not favor whites so this point is debatable I think. I would argue that being non white is a societal advantage, being white is a disadvantage now. Anti white racism is publicly acceptable. Non white people may not care about "microaggressions" but I think for racial quotas at schools it is much less clear[1], polls seem to go back and forth. Polls aside, my point is that even if what you are saying is true, non white people support the party that discusses microaggressions and quotas overwhelmingly. Why should the polls be trusted? I believe there are certain liberal white elites who benefit from this but it's surely not just them and surely non white people are aware of what they are supporting. Another interpretation of this is just that there is indifference to radicalism or even varying degrees of support for radicalism. [1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll-support-increases-affirmative-action-programs-rcna81762 https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll...
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lisasays 3y ago
This apparently started a lengthy thread between him and the 5 PMs where they explained to him that the reason he wasn't supportive of the change was because of the "systemic and cultural racism" he apparently internalized. Precious.

rayiner 3y ago

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onetimeusename 3y ago
and yet non white people do agree on things like white privilege and microaggressions. Non white people overwhelmingly support politics that reflects a view that white people are racist and privileged. It's seen in things like this poll https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/12/17/views-on-race-and-immigration/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/12/17/views-on-rac.... If the majority of non white people[1] support those politics, how is it a conspiracy by liberal whites? It sounds like it's affirmatively popular to reengineer society. [1]: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-11-16/poll-many-americans-dont-believe-systemic-racism-exists https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-11-16/...
- rayiner 3y ago
  The poll you link addresses people “who say white people benefit from advantages in society that black people do not have.” That’s self-evidently true: for example, white people have more wealth than black people. They are much more likely to have college degrees. Etc. You could also say “WASPs benefit from advantages in society that Appalachians don’t have” and it would be equally true. But a majority of non-whites also oppose racial preferences for college: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/04/26/u-s-public-continues-to-view-grades-test-scores-as-top-factors-in-college-admissions/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/04/26/u-s-publi..., and jobs: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/04/PSDT_05.01.19_diversity-00-05.png https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads.... That includes a majority of black people in both cases. The majority of black and Latino people also don’t find common “micro aggressions” offensive. https://contexts.org/blog/who-gets-to-define-whats-racist https://contexts.org/blog/who-gets-to-define-whats-racist Racial preferences and quotas, and language policing are the most prominent of the concrete policies championed by white liberals who use phrases like “white privilege,” and most minorities don’t support either.
  - onetimeusename 3y ago
    The poll I linked shows a difference in thought among white vs Hispanic vs Black perceptions of whether or not whites benefit from advantages in society. I don't see any definition of what a societal advantage is; it may be income. My point was more that races don't agree on whether whites have societal advantages which is very serious if policies are based on that. Things like university admissions, scholarships, and job applications do not favor whites so this point is debatable I think. I would argue that being non white is a societal advantage, being white is a disadvantage now. Anti white racism is publicly acceptable. Non white people may not care about "microaggressions" but I think for racial quotas at schools it is much less clear[1], polls seem to go back and forth. Polls aside, my point is that even if what you are saying is true, non white people support the party that discusses microaggressions and quotas overwhelmingly. Why should the polls be trusted? I believe there are certain liberal white elites who benefit from this but it's surely not just them and surely non white people are aware of what they are supporting. Another interpretation of this is just that there is indifference to radicalism or even varying degrees of support for radicalism. [1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll-support-increases-affirmative-action-programs-rcna81762 https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll...

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lisasays 3y ago

This apparently started a lengthy thread between him and the 5 PMs where they explained to him that the reason he wasn't supportive of the change was because of the "systemic and cultural racism" he apparently internalized. Precious.