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As a start you'd need to read the details of GDPR laws. And probably hire a lawyer.

scarface_74 3y ago
So now to create any web page compliant with the EU, I need to hire a lawyer to help me understand the 11 chapter 99 section GDPR?
- tchaffee 3y ago
  Do you collect and store personal information for this website? I bet you could find a dozen or more websites summarizing your legal obligations if you wanted to create one web page. Since the context was Facebook, I was speaking about what businesses should do. And especially large businesses. As far as I've heard, the EU isn't chasing folks who run a small website.
  - drusepth 3y ago
    >As far as I've heard, the EU isn't chasing folks who run a small website. But they could, which has already had a chilling effect on small businesses. Even though the intent (and current enforcement) is to punish large companies, GDPR is written in a way that puts a large compliance burden on many small companies and startups.
    - tchaffee 3y ago
      I have zero problem saying your startup or small business doesn't deserve to collect my personal info if you can't protect it. Doing your accounting, paying taxes, and following labor laws are also burdens on small businesses. Not every small business is profitable enough to manage those things and that's ok.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  In order to collect, store and process data about people in the EU, you have to do so in a manner compliant with the EU law on that. Collecting that data on a web page is a choice. A semi-hidden security benefit of GDPR is that it makes people think twice before collecting and keeping data - you can't leak data that isn't in your database in the first place.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    If I am talking to a group of friends some in the US over Facebook messenger. Should that be stored on EU servers?
    - tchaffee 3y ago
      Sure. Or any country that complies with EU data protection and privacy laws.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
      You first asked "if I create any web page". Now "Talking over Facebook messenger" is a complete change of subject. It is on Facebook, not you, to operate Facebook messenger in a legal way.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        How can Facebook both allow a user in the EU to send messages to a group of people in the US and not store data in the US?
        SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
        > How can Facebook Run their business in a legal way? There's a word for businesses that are systemically unable to comply with the law. I don't know if Facebook is one of those, but it might be. Shutting down is always an option for that kind of company. Nothing of vale would be lost.
        tchaffee 3y ago
        If you think it's technically impossible the burden of proof is on you. Facebook has not claimed it's not technically possible.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Does it really take that much of a leap of logic that if EU person sends data to a person in the US, that data is going to be stored on a server in the US?

So now to create any web page compliant with the EU, I need to hire a lawyer to help me understand the 11 chapter 99 section GDPR?

tchaffee 3y ago
Do you collect and store personal information for this website? I bet you could find a dozen or more websites summarizing your legal obligations if you wanted to create one web page. Since the context was Facebook, I was speaking about what businesses should do. And especially large businesses. As far as I've heard, the EU isn't chasing folks who run a small website.
- drusepth 3y ago
  >As far as I've heard, the EU isn't chasing folks who run a small website. But they could, which has already had a chilling effect on small businesses. Even though the intent (and current enforcement) is to punish large companies, GDPR is written in a way that puts a large compliance burden on many small companies and startups.
  - tchaffee 3y ago
    I have zero problem saying your startup or small business doesn't deserve to collect my personal info if you can't protect it. Doing your accounting, paying taxes, and following labor laws are also burdens on small businesses. Not every small business is profitable enough to manage those things and that's ok.
SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
In order to collect, store and process data about people in the EU, you have to do so in a manner compliant with the EU law on that. Collecting that data on a web page is a choice. A semi-hidden security benefit of GDPR is that it makes people think twice before collecting and keeping data - you can't leak data that isn't in your database in the first place.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  If I am talking to a group of friends some in the US over Facebook messenger. Should that be stored on EU servers?
  - tchaffee 3y ago
    Sure. Or any country that complies with EU data protection and privacy laws.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    You first asked "if I create any web page". Now "Talking over Facebook messenger" is a complete change of subject. It is on Facebook, not you, to operate Facebook messenger in a legal way.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      How can Facebook both allow a user in the EU to send messages to a group of people in the US and not store data in the US?
      - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
        > How can Facebook Run their business in a legal way? There's a word for businesses that are systemically unable to comply with the law. I don't know if Facebook is one of those, but it might be. Shutting down is always an option for that kind of company. Nothing of vale would be lost.
      - tchaffee 3y ago
        If you think it's technically impossible the burden of proof is on you. Facebook has not claimed it's not technically possible.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Does it really take that much of a leap of logic that if EU person sends data to a person in the US, that data is going to be stored on a server in the US?