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> It’s like you’re trying to manufacture the outrage on the spot based on a loose skimming and the appearance of keywords. Good advertising should only require

> It’s like you’re trying to manufacture the outrage on the spot based on a loose skimming and the appearance of keywords. Good advertising should only require loose skimming to know what they're trying to sell you.

mynameisvlad 3y ago
Did anyone say they had good advertising? No. Are they transparent about the pricing being per page, the actual thing we’re discussing? Yes. The goal posts are over there. Gotta love the fact you ignored all of the points in favor of a bad strawman. As I said, manufactures outrage.
- prophesi 3y ago
  The goal post you're debating is a low bar for reasonable business practices.
  - mynameisvlad 3y ago
    Okay so you have no actual rebuttal of my points. Thanks for making it abundantly clear.
    - prophesi 3y ago
      That's because you disagree that the issue is about good advertising. The page isn't as clear-cut as you've pointed out. It's also worth mentioning that buying a new InkJet printer is also tacked on with 2 years of "ink" advertised as "Up to 2 years of ink in bottles included in the box." that is also actually based on pages. Searching for HP InkJet on your search engine of choice will show how it's an "ink and toner monthly subscriptions" in their snippets. It's a shady business practice that we shouldn't be encouraging at all.
      - mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Abundantly clear landing page which calls it a printing subscription, explains exactly what you pay for and what happens when you cancel, and how to continue printing with your own purchased ink after you cancel is "misleading". Definitely.
        prophesi 3y ago
        A landing page that doesn't mention pages until you scroll halfway down to their pricing plans and see "10 pages/mo.", the details of the plan hidden behind a collapsed accordion, adding a subscription to all new printers to lock users in. _Definitely_ not misleading.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        > You can cancel or change your plan anytime. If you don't use all of your pages, they automatically rollover to the next month. > HP Instant Ink uses high-volume cartridges, pricing based on pages printed, and direct-to-customer shipping delivered only when you run low. > You’ll get your first cartridges when you sign up and then receive replacement cartridges based on how much you print—not every month, like other subscriptions. Ok, Jan. This was called out in literally my very first reply to you. I'm done with this bullshit. I'd say have a good day, but I'd rather hope you didn't.
        prophesi 3y ago
        Sorry, Ctrl + F only found "Can I change or cancel my plan anytime?". The rest of those are hidden in those accordions (I assume, didn't check). Hope you have a good Monday and your printer mysteriously stops working.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Those three quotes are literally not in the FAQ but go off sis. You really can't bother to even look at the page can you? Jesus fucking Christ, the audacity.
ElectricalUnion 3y ago
> Good advertising should only require loose skimming to know what they're trying to sell you. In my experience, good advertising is the opposite - it requires extensive reading about what they're trying to sell you - because it's good advertising, not a good encyclopedia.

mynameisvlad 3y ago

Did anyone say they had good advertising? No. Are they transparent about the pricing being per page, the actual thing we’re discussing? Yes. The goal posts are over there. Gotta love the fact you ignored all of the points in favor of a bad strawman. As I said, manufactures outrage.

prophesi 3y ago
The goal post you're debating is a low bar for reasonable business practices.
- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  Okay so you have no actual rebuttal of my points. Thanks for making it abundantly clear.
  - prophesi 3y ago
    That's because you disagree that the issue is about good advertising. The page isn't as clear-cut as you've pointed out. It's also worth mentioning that buying a new InkJet printer is also tacked on with 2 years of "ink" advertised as "Up to 2 years of ink in bottles included in the box." that is also actually based on pages. Searching for HP InkJet on your search engine of choice will show how it's an "ink and toner monthly subscriptions" in their snippets. It's a shady business practice that we shouldn't be encouraging at all.
    - mynameisvlad 3y ago
      Abundantly clear landing page which calls it a printing subscription, explains exactly what you pay for and what happens when you cancel, and how to continue printing with your own purchased ink after you cancel is "misleading". Definitely.
      - prophesi 3y ago
        A landing page that doesn't mention pages until you scroll halfway down to their pricing plans and see "10 pages/mo.", the details of the plan hidden behind a collapsed accordion, adding a subscription to all new printers to lock users in. _Definitely_ not misleading.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        > You can cancel or change your plan anytime. If you don't use all of your pages, they automatically rollover to the next month. > HP Instant Ink uses high-volume cartridges, pricing based on pages printed, and direct-to-customer shipping delivered only when you run low. > You’ll get your first cartridges when you sign up and then receive replacement cartridges based on how much you print—not every month, like other subscriptions. Ok, Jan. This was called out in literally my very first reply to you. I'm done with this bullshit. I'd say have a good day, but I'd rather hope you didn't.
        prophesi 3y ago
        Sorry, Ctrl + F only found "Can I change or cancel my plan anytime?". The rest of those are hidden in those accordions (I assume, didn't check). Hope you have a good Monday and your printer mysteriously stops working.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Those three quotes are literally not in the FAQ but go off sis. You really can't bother to even look at the page can you? Jesus fucking Christ, the audacity.

ElectricalUnion 3y ago

> Good advertising should only require loose skimming to know what they're trying to sell you. In my experience, good advertising is the opposite - it requires extensive reading about what they're trying to sell you - because it's good advertising, not a good encyclopedia.