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The USSR won the WW2 in case you haven't learn that in school.
by gdy 3y ago
The USSR won the WW2 in case you haven't learn that in school.
- AzzieElbab 3y agoThat “Russia” was called USSR, was supported by the West, and included Ukraine among others. This time Russia’s only ally is Iran.
- gdy 3y agoUnfortunately, the independent Ukraine has been busy destroying monuments to the Ukrainians that fought againsts Nazis and naming dozens of streets after Nazi collaborants.
- gdy 3y ago"This time Russia’s only ally is Iran." This time Russia has nukes and the means to deliver them to any address on this planet.
- AzzieElbab 3y agoSo? What targets are they supposed to nuke?
- gdy 3y agoNone at the moment, hopefully. At this moment a single nuke would kill more people than died so far in the war.
- ceejayoz 3y agoSchool would probably also have noted that 80% of the USSR's copper, 1/3 of its explosives, fuel, trucks, etc. came from the US and UK via Lend-Lease. At a fairly critical time in the war. Zhukov: "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own." School might also have noted the complicated history of the USSR and the Nazis; things like the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact.
- gdy 3y ago"At a fairly critical time in the war." Not really. They mostly started coming after the USSR stopped the Nazis in 1942. "complicated history of the USSR and the Nazis" Too bad your school forgets to mention the Munich agreement between the Nazis and the West, and all the efforts of the USSR to forge an anti-Nazi pact with the Great Britain and France. All of which happenned before the M-R pact.
- dragonwriter 3y agoMunich was bad and is to this day a touchstone of failure of character in the West (indeed, one of the ways those proposing capitulation to Russian purported annexation of parts of Ukraine as the cost of peace are mocked is comparing their stand to Munich). But its not like after Munich, Britain and France invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia while Hitler took the Sudetenland, so bad as it is, it doesn’t compare to the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact.
- gdy 3y ago"invaded the rest" The USSR took back what your lovely European hyena bit off from the corpse of the Russian Empire 20 years before that [0][1]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Boundary_and_Friendship_Treaty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Bounda...
- soco 3y agoThe European hyena bit off what the Russian Empire hyena bit off 30 years earlier. Which the European hyena bit off 15 years earlier. Which the Russian Empire hyena bit off 20 years earlier. Which the... isn't it convenient to cherry pick one point in history and base all your truth on it?
- gdy 3y agoYou've made this up. Nothing relevant happened in the years you listed. In fact, for a hundred of years.
- elzbardico 3y agoThe USSR definitely won in Europe, but the US won over the Japanese in the Pacific. Both contributions are equal in terms of importance.
- gdy 3y agoNot really. The USSR crushed over 600 thousand strong Quanqtung army in less than a month in Machurian strategic offensive operation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria
- ceejayoz 3y ago"began on 9 August 1945"? That's participation medal level shit; it's the day the second nuclear bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. They waited until Japan was beaten, then grabbed some land.
- gdy 3y agoBy "waited" you surely meant "were busy fighting Nazis". And let me quote the wiki article I linked to: "The Soviet entry into the war and the defeat of the Kwantung Army was a significant factor in the Japanese government's decision to surrender unconditionall".
- ceejayoz 3y ago> By "waited" you surely meant "were busy fighting Nazis". As were the rest of the Allies. Soviet help with Japan probably would've been welcome much earlier. > And let me quote the wiki article I linked to: "The Soviet entry into the war and the defeat of the Kwantung Army was a significant factor in the Japanese government's decision to surrender unconditionall". The Japanese home islands were blockaded, constantly bombed, and hit with nuclear weapons after a grinding campaign across the Pacific. They'd lost by the time the Soviets jumped in; they were solidly on that path since 1942. Soviet entry may've reinforced the hopelessness of continuing, but the Pacific part of WWII was largely fought by the US and UK alone. Contesting "the US won over the Japanese in the Pacific" is a tough path.
- dragonwriter 3y agoThe USSR included Ukraine and was the beneficiary of US lend-lease, too, and per Stalin would have lost without Lend-Lease. So, you know, not exactly the same as now.
- gdy 3y agoYou are probably confusing with Zhukov's remark cited in another comment.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> You are probably confusing with Zhukov's remark cited in another comment. No, I’m not; Stalin is recorded to have made the comment at the 1943 Tehran Conference with Churchill and Roosevelt. Zhukov’s statement was 20 years later, addressing Cold War revisionism which minimized that contribution.
- gdy 3y agoPerhaps he was just being nice. People say a lot of things to get what they want.