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Yuri Gagarin and Russia's 99.6% literacy rate disagree. Like it or not, Russians (and Ukrainians for that matter) consistently read and math gooder than America

Yuri Gagarin and Russia's 99.6% literacy rate disagree. Like it or not, Russians (and Ukrainians for that matter) consistently read and math gooder than Americans.

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Russia17 3y ago
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t_tsonev 3y ago
You don't need to be a math genius to buy stuff from China.
helge9210 3y ago
USSR did run to the finish losing medals to put the first human to space. USA did the same to put humans on the Moon. You can safely ignore these data points as anomalies. Can Russia consistently innovate in any technological field?
- cpursley 3y ago
  Did you read the article? Russia has objectively (for now, that gap will close) outclassed the west at EW, missile defense & offense. They are also a leader in nuclear technology. Are those not high tech industries?
  - thc-27182 3y ago
    Doesn't really sound all that outclassed. Ukraine has been shooting down a fair bit of Russian attacks and if I'm not mistaken Ukraine has some better ranged munitions now. Hardly seems like being outclassed when Russia has spent the last year redeveloping it's logistics. Additionally this is Russia's best vs the Wests hand-me-downs.
    - cpursley 3y ago
      > Ukraine has been shooting down a fair bit of Russian attacks Yes. With old Soviet equipment (largely S-300s and BUKs). Which further proves my point. But those are running low and Ukraine has already lost a Patriot system just a few weeks after going into service. Ukraine might have some better ranged munitions than they did previously like British Storm Shadows. They have even less range than the the US ATACMS and both are getting intercepted on the regular. And vs. the Russian Kalibrs, neither are all that special. But the biggest problem is Ukraine doesn't have sufficient launch platforms for them (they are air launched and have to be retrofitted to Soviet era aircraft). Now Russian logistics is a different story...
      - fabian2k 3y ago
        Any evidence that Storm Shadow have been shot down regularly? And in addition to the soviet equipment they have IRIS-T SLM, Patriot and some other western systems.
      - thc-27182 3y ago
        They have been using a mixture of AA from around the world. https://archive.fo/zDtjr https://archive.fo/zDtjr https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/19/ukraine-air-defense-systems-patriot/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/19/ukraine-air-... Patriot system has been reportedly consistently shooting down Kinzhal. Not questioning whether or not Russia posses(ed) some great engineers (this would have to include Ukrainians then since this stuff was designed in the USSR) that certainly can do it's job when deployed correctly. Rather that Russia has somehow outclassed the "West" seems rather farfetched here.
        cpursley 3y ago
        Do you really believe the Patriot is shooting down Kinzhals? Consider the source. And the physics of it all (the math don't work). And the history of the Patriot system (inability to shoot down 1960s scuds, several friendly fire aircraft incidents). It's a 30+ year old system, after all. And did you see the full video of the Patriot blowing two full loads before getting taken out in Kiev by Kinzhals (2:14 hit)?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5lhh_gV1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5lhh_gV1U
- pjc50 3y ago
  The question "can" is not about the intellectual capability of Russian people but about whether they will be allowed to by their leaders. Innovation is disruptive, after all.
  - helge9210 3y ago
    And we're back to my point of the lack of improvement in the society due to fear of disruption of the status quo.
- kaba0 3y ago
  You imply in a capitalistic system that innovation stems from its own citizen? Especially in the melting pot of the world? Like, you would be hard-pressed to find a single innovation that doesn’t have emigrant names attached to it - the goddamn Manhattan project is jokingly called a Hungarian high school science fair project. The US got out of WW2 with minimal casualties and a ton of riches, compared to a beaten down Europe/USSR. It’s not a fair comparison. For what it’s worth, the USSR indeed had very great education and have some excellent textbooks/papers as legacy.
  - cpursley 3y ago
    The joke is Chinese go to America for college to study under professors from the former USSR.

Yuri Gagarin and Russia's 99.6% literacy rate disagree. Like it or not, Russians (and Ukrainians for that matter) consistently read and math gooder than Americans.

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Russia17 3y ago

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t_tsonev 3y ago

You don't need to be a math genius to buy stuff from China.

helge9210 3y ago

USSR did run to the finish losing medals to put the first human to space. USA did the same to put humans on the Moon. You can safely ignore these data points as anomalies. Can Russia consistently innovate in any technological field?

cpursley 3y ago
Did you read the article? Russia has objectively (for now, that gap will close) outclassed the west at EW, missile defense & offense. They are also a leader in nuclear technology. Are those not high tech industries?
- thc-27182 3y ago
  Doesn't really sound all that outclassed. Ukraine has been shooting down a fair bit of Russian attacks and if I'm not mistaken Ukraine has some better ranged munitions now. Hardly seems like being outclassed when Russia has spent the last year redeveloping it's logistics. Additionally this is Russia's best vs the Wests hand-me-downs.
  - cpursley 3y ago
    > Ukraine has been shooting down a fair bit of Russian attacks Yes. With old Soviet equipment (largely S-300s and BUKs). Which further proves my point. But those are running low and Ukraine has already lost a Patriot system just a few weeks after going into service. Ukraine might have some better ranged munitions than they did previously like British Storm Shadows. They have even less range than the the US ATACMS and both are getting intercepted on the regular. And vs. the Russian Kalibrs, neither are all that special. But the biggest problem is Ukraine doesn't have sufficient launch platforms for them (they are air launched and have to be retrofitted to Soviet era aircraft). Now Russian logistics is a different story...
    - fabian2k 3y ago
      Any evidence that Storm Shadow have been shot down regularly? And in addition to the soviet equipment they have IRIS-T SLM, Patriot and some other western systems.
    - thc-27182 3y ago
      They have been using a mixture of AA from around the world. https://archive.fo/zDtjr https://archive.fo/zDtjr https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/19/ukraine-air-defense-systems-patriot/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/19/ukraine-air-... Patriot system has been reportedly consistently shooting down Kinzhal. Not questioning whether or not Russia posses(ed) some great engineers (this would have to include Ukrainians then since this stuff was designed in the USSR) that certainly can do it's job when deployed correctly. Rather that Russia has somehow outclassed the "West" seems rather farfetched here.
      - cpursley 3y ago
        Do you really believe the Patriot is shooting down Kinzhals? Consider the source. And the physics of it all (the math don't work). And the history of the Patriot system (inability to shoot down 1960s scuds, several friendly fire aircraft incidents). It's a 30+ year old system, after all. And did you see the full video of the Patriot blowing two full loads before getting taken out in Kiev by Kinzhals (2:14 hit)?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5lhh_gV1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5lhh_gV1U
pjc50 3y ago
The question "can" is not about the intellectual capability of Russian people but about whether they will be allowed to by their leaders. Innovation is disruptive, after all.
- helge9210 3y ago
  And we're back to my point of the lack of improvement in the society due to fear of disruption of the status quo.
kaba0 3y ago
You imply in a capitalistic system that innovation stems from its own citizen? Especially in the melting pot of the world? Like, you would be hard-pressed to find a single innovation that doesn’t have emigrant names attached to it - the goddamn Manhattan project is jokingly called a Hungarian high school science fair project. The US got out of WW2 with minimal casualties and a ton of riches, compared to a beaten down Europe/USSR. It’s not a fair comparison. For what it’s worth, the USSR indeed had very great education and have some excellent textbooks/papers as legacy.
- cpursley 3y ago
  The joke is Chinese go to America for college to study under professors from the former USSR.