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I'm not fan of barriers but this is coming down to "ban or regulate". Whatever TikTok is to the USA, Meta and the rest is the same for EU. TikTok has known li
by mrtksn 3y ago
I'm not fan of barriers but this is coming down to "ban or regulate".
Whatever TikTok is to the USA, Meta and the rest is the same for EU. TikTok has known links to the Chinese Communist Party and the American social media and tech in general has proven links to US intelligence and mass surveillance programs. You may say that CCP is adversary and US-EU are ally but then again the US has proven to be able to elect anti European government, so EU can't afford to rely on not having Trump or similar once again in power.
The Americans are considering to ban TikTok, do you want EU to adopt the same approach and ban TikTok along with Meta and the rest?
I like the EU approach better, even if it's not ideal its better than complete ban. Honestly, I'm terrified from banning becoming the norm because this will mean completely fragmented internet and this will mean the end of global society because the countries will be able to shape their society the way it suits them for internal politics.
- bushbaba 3y agoSame logic was used for the Nordstream by Germany.
- pmoriarty 3y ago> do you want EU to adopt the same approach and ban TikTok along with Meta and the rest? if only...
- mnky9800n 3y agoi think the worse part of all this is that it won't be a real ban. you will immediately see the news apparatus telling stories about how teenagers get long prison sentences for downloading tiktok illegally. Real people will be punished for the theatrics of global politics.
- blagie 3y agoI don't know of good solutions. I'm deep in the "ban on regulate" camp, but I don't know what those bans or regulations should be. Honestly, I'm less concerned about Chinese and Russian agents than simple, capitalist free market forces. Web sites which grab eyeballs grab dollars. There is no connection to truth, integrity, or honesty there. Right now, even with humans and Facebook-grade algorithms, that's leading to polarizing hatred. Things will get worse once LLM-style algorithms start generating content to optimize engagement. We need individual free speech, but I'm much less sold on corporate free speech (or speech from algorithms optimized to a capitalist markets).
- dfadsadsf 3y agoThe big and critical difference between TikTok connections to CCP and Meta connections to three letter agencies is that US and EU are military allies while US and China are strategic adversaries with chance of real hot war in the next 5 years. Military umbrella that US provides to EU that includes military bases, transfer of military technology and freedom of navigation for middle east oil forces all parties to play much nicer. Fines to tech companies are fine (and often are supported by US regulators) but drastic steps like even seriously proposing banning big US tech companies are obviously over the line and are unacceptable. Even beyond alliance, EU can start trade war but do not be surprised if then BMW and Mercedes cars surprising develop safety issues that requires full recall and compensation to all car buyers for harm.
- pjc50 3y agoThe argument is that the EU cannot and should not even attempt to prevent unaccountable spying on its citizens by foreign states, or it will have its legs broken?
- dandellion 3y agoNo, that's the approach in South America. In Europe it would be a bit more subtle.
- amadeuspagel 3y agoI'm assuming "having its legs" broken refers to having german car companies treated by the US like silicon valley tech companies are treated by the EU?
- pjc50 3y agoAre the German car companies spying in the United States? (OK, that's snarky, but the car companies did actually have to pay out .. because they defrauded US consumers! Not all "crime" committed by companies is made up to sell trade restrictions!)
- makeitdouble 3y ago
- logdap 3y ago> The Americans are considering to ban TikTok, do you want EU to adopt the same approach and ban TikTok along with Meta and the rest? Yes, of course.