3 ms·

It seems like we just can't have a break, can we? Any technology that looks cleaner than the previous one (solar panels vs coal burning, electric cars vs petrol

It seems like we just can't have a break, can we? Any technology that looks cleaner than the previous one (solar panels vs coal burning, electric cars vs petrol exhaust, ...) seems to have its own way of ruining the environment anyway

mdhen 3y ago
Putting all this solar on roofs and over parking lots is the free meal.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Yes!
- dotancohen 3y ago
  Better than free - it keeps the sun off the rooves and thus the homes and cars require less cooling. I installed solar last year, and have not turned on the air conditioning since. Amazing difference, and I imagine for parked cars the shade savings may be even more profound.
steveBK123 3y ago
The problem is everyone wants power but no one wants to live next to power generation. Look at people complaining about offshore wind ruining their views (but attributing other "environmental concerns" as the real reason they are unhappy). Arguably living next to solar/wind has to be better than living next to oil/coal/gas plants..
- slackwaredragon 3y ago
  This right here. Not just Wind/Solar either. We have a community that was built right next to a coal fire power plant that's been there since the 70s (the neighborhood was built in 2005) and people are trying to work to get that power plant shut down because they don't like it's smokestacks and how much it lowers their land values. If we were to shut down that plant, we'd drop 1/3rd of the power generation in our area. If that plant were to actually shut down they'd lose their collective crap because of blackouts. So basically their argument is "We want that power plant gone but we don't want to feel the effects of that power plant being gone. FIX IT NOW!!1!!11one!!11". Maybe they shouldn't have moved right next to a freakin power plant?
  - hirundo 3y ago
    Maybe they should also have bought all of the surrounding land within sight in every direction. I moved to a remote rural area very particularly because of the dark skies, for my joy of it and an astronomy hobby. A decade later they built a large wind farm a few miles away, with blinking red lights on top of each turbine. It sucks and there's not a damn thing I can do about it other than leave.
    - steveBK123 3y ago
      Yeah, real estate development is sort of like traffic. People develop some land / drive somewhere, and then get irrationally upset that others do the same. Everything everywhere is always moving forever.
  - steveBK123 3y ago
    You see the similar with transportation too. People live on a major avenue or thru street in Manhattan and then protest against express bus lanes, lol. People are completely irrational on green/climate stuff. Some of my leftiest friends on climate all drive midsize gas SUVs. Or the ones that pride themselves on not owning a car (Uber black rides don't count) and take 4+ trips by jet per year, lol.

mdhen 3y ago

Putting all this solar on roofs and over parking lots is the free meal.

ChatGTP 3y ago
Yes!
dotancohen 3y ago
Better than free - it keeps the sun off the rooves and thus the homes and cars require less cooling. I installed solar last year, and have not turned on the air conditioning since. Amazing difference, and I imagine for parked cars the shade savings may be even more profound.

steveBK123 3y ago

The problem is everyone wants power but no one wants to live next to power generation. Look at people complaining about offshore wind ruining their views (but attributing other "environmental concerns" as the real reason they are unhappy). Arguably living next to solar/wind has to be better than living next to oil/coal/gas plants..

slackwaredragon 3y ago
This right here. Not just Wind/Solar either. We have a community that was built right next to a coal fire power plant that's been there since the 70s (the neighborhood was built in 2005) and people are trying to work to get that power plant shut down because they don't like it's smokestacks and how much it lowers their land values. If we were to shut down that plant, we'd drop 1/3rd of the power generation in our area. If that plant were to actually shut down they'd lose their collective crap because of blackouts. So basically their argument is "We want that power plant gone but we don't want to feel the effects of that power plant being gone. FIX IT NOW!!1!!11one!!11". Maybe they shouldn't have moved right next to a freakin power plant?
- hirundo 3y ago
  Maybe they should also have bought all of the surrounding land within sight in every direction. I moved to a remote rural area very particularly because of the dark skies, for my joy of it and an astronomy hobby. A decade later they built a large wind farm a few miles away, with blinking red lights on top of each turbine. It sucks and there's not a damn thing I can do about it other than leave.
  - steveBK123 3y ago
    Yeah, real estate development is sort of like traffic. People develop some land / drive somewhere, and then get irrationally upset that others do the same. Everything everywhere is always moving forever.
- steveBK123 3y ago
  You see the similar with transportation too. People live on a major avenue or thru street in Manhattan and then protest against express bus lanes, lol. People are completely irrational on green/climate stuff. Some of my leftiest friends on climate all drive midsize gas SUVs. Or the ones that pride themselves on not owning a car (Uber black rides don't count) and take 4+ trips by jet per year, lol.