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They broke a law that violates basic human rights. Privacy is important to EU citizens, and unlike the US they largely enjoy that right thanks to laws which are
by tchaffee 3y ago
They broke a law that violates basic human rights. Privacy is important to EU citizens, and unlike the US they largely enjoy that right thanks to laws which are enforced.
Nothing to do with taxes.
- Capricorn2481 3y agoA lot of EU countries are also in "big eyes" esque spying agreements. The occasional story of a privacy law being enforced doesn't change that
- tchaffee 3y agoFacebook is not the government so even if what you say is true, it's really off-topic. Being protected from businesses violating your privacy is a good thing.
- Capricorn2481 3y agoIt's not off topic. You said: > unlike the US they largely enjoy that right thanks to laws which are enforced This is categorically not true.
- bcrosby95 3y agoThe reason why Facebook transferring data to the US is illegal in the EU is because its spy agencies and law enforcement can force them to turn over data. It's not off topic at all.
- smoldesu 3y agoAnd the United States can't? Facebook is part of PRISM, and they are incorporated in America. They are arguably in a more compromised state when operating domestically than abroad.
- bcrosby95 3y agoThat's not the argument I would go with, but you could. I would argue that the EU has more oversight into its spy agencies and can reign them in if wrongdoing comes to light, whereas they have little to no control over those in the US.
- tchaffee 3y agoCan EU governments force companies to turn over data? If not, then you are talking about what EU governments do secretly. That's a different topic.
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- smoldesu 3y agoThis isn't about protecting users from spying. This is about managing user data and privacy in accordance with the laws that privately-owned businesses must abide by. You can claim that it's a double-standard, but it's still wrongdoing and needed to be sorted out either way.
- ilyt 3y agoFunnily enough, country that is biggest on that recently left EU...
- Capricorn2481 3y agoBut not because the EU didn't like their spying.
- scarface74 3y agoSo how do you have “privacy” when the entire purpose of social media is to share your likes, dislikes, social graph, etc. worldwide?
- tchaffee 3y agoFacebook posts can be made for only friends to see. Other social media has similar controls. Facebook also has private messaging.
- scarface_74 3y agoAnd when those private messages get sent to someone in the US or those friends are in the US, what do you think is going to happen with the data?
- ilyt 3y agowell, what would happen is facebook getting 1.3B fine
- scarface_74 3y agoSo now the EU is saying that Facebook shouldn’t allow people in the EU to talk to people in the US?
- tchaffee 3y agoThat's not what the EU said. You can read the publicly available ruling. Or any of the hundreds of articles summarizing the ruling.
- tchaffee 3y agoYou're moving the goal posts. Your claim was that all posts are globally public. That's wrong. But to play along, what happens to the data depends on where it is stored. If the data center is in the US then the government can get a court order to seize that data. Which is not the same as in some other countries, is it?
- conductr 3y ago> Nothing to do with taxes. If companies view it as cost of doing business, it's akin to a tax and the rights you hold dear are not respected
- tchaffee 3y agoThat's true but the evidence points to companies changing policy to avoid increasing fines and the risk of being banned entirely.
- june_twenty 3y ago> Privacy is important to EU citizens The people on the ground didn't do anything with this
- tchaffee 3y agoThat's entirely untrue. Countries in the EU had strong privacy laws before the EU existed. And before the internet existed. Mostly around phone companies, but not only. Having lived in a few countries in the EU I can also anecdotely say that privacy laws are generally liked. GDPR laws are so popular that 17 countries outside the EU already have similar laws.
- ilyt 3y agoNah, GDPR is great. For example now random security camera operator can't just take some scenes and post it on youtube, as that would violate GDPR in several ways and few companies paid tens to hundreds of thousands in fines for that. It also cut sooo much bullshit when it comes to PII management. Because there is actual teeth behind it very little companies will try the old trick of "oh you wrote email to us ? Let's just send marketing stuff on that", as that would require separate consent.