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You have to be able to see the problem with this reasoning right? https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264 https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/st

You have to be able to see the problem with this reasoning right? https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264 https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264

surgical_fire 3y ago
I'm not white. I don't believe that my "way of thinking" is meaningfully different from the way of thinking of a white person, language and cultural differences accounted for. Actually, I firmly believe that implying that is profoundly racist. It's small wonder that I see most dangerously racist bullshit being parroted in progressive circles.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  The point is that people can treat you differently based on their perception of you, mediated by apparent ethnicity. Your way of thinking doesn't factor in.
  - surgical_fire 3y ago
    > "AI threatens to deepen the dominance of a way of thinking that is white, male," This was the claim. And I refuse this notion. The worst atrocities humans inflicted upon one another were derived from a fundamental belief that the "others" being oppressed were meaningfully different from the oppressors, and therefore was ok to oppress them. And about people treating you differently based on their perception of you, that is a different claim. And that is just basic human nature. Everyone (man or woman, white or black) judges based on appearances, especially when that is the first (and sometimes only) information you have to navigate.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      OK I was responding to someone else about their claim that being white had never benefited them. This is an entirely different conversation I don't know why you started it with me. I don't disagree with you so far.
      - surgical_fire 3y ago
        The comment you replied to was commenting on the same claim I addressed, just on a different perspective (speaking on the lack of perceived advantages). I fail to see how my reply was misplaced. I'm basically on a subthread commenting on the same claim I chose to address. > I don't disagree with you so far. Good. This was a good conversation then. Have an excellent day.
      - askin4it 3y ago
        That statement you made seemed reflexively progressive to me rather than an actual thought out position. Question: why does everything have boil down to a mortality lesson? Why can't white guy from the other thread have a little gripe? What's the purpose of scolding him , telling him that his opinion is wrong, and then treating him like a kid by sending a link to a cartoon that casts him as a snobbish, indifferent, predator?
askin4it 3y ago
Do you see the problem with your cartoon tutorial. Correct me if I'm wrong but your lesson is a good example of begging the question . I think of the two fallacies, the whipped white guys is not nearly as bad as yours. His is merely anecdotal. Yours rhetorically casts that sad sack as a predatory animal. Please stop helping.

You have to be able to see the problem with this reasoning right? https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264 https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264

surgical_fire 3y ago

I'm not white. I don't believe that my "way of thinking" is meaningfully different from the way of thinking of a white person, language and cultural differences accounted for. Actually, I firmly believe that implying that is profoundly racist. It's small wonder that I see most dangerously racist bullshit being parroted in progressive circles.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
The point is that people can treat you differently based on their perception of you, mediated by apparent ethnicity. Your way of thinking doesn't factor in.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  > "AI threatens to deepen the dominance of a way of thinking that is white, male," This was the claim. And I refuse this notion. The worst atrocities humans inflicted upon one another were derived from a fundamental belief that the "others" being oppressed were meaningfully different from the oppressors, and therefore was ok to oppress them. And about people treating you differently based on their perception of you, that is a different claim. And that is just basic human nature. Everyone (man or woman, white or black) judges based on appearances, especially when that is the first (and sometimes only) information you have to navigate.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    OK I was responding to someone else about their claim that being white had never benefited them. This is an entirely different conversation I don't know why you started it with me. I don't disagree with you so far.
    - surgical_fire 3y ago
      The comment you replied to was commenting on the same claim I addressed, just on a different perspective (speaking on the lack of perceived advantages). I fail to see how my reply was misplaced. I'm basically on a subthread commenting on the same claim I chose to address. > I don't disagree with you so far. Good. This was a good conversation then. Have an excellent day.
    - askin4it 3y ago
      That statement you made seemed reflexively progressive to me rather than an actual thought out position. Question: why does everything have boil down to a mortality lesson? Why can't white guy from the other thread have a little gripe? What's the purpose of scolding him , telling him that his opinion is wrong, and then treating him like a kid by sending a link to a cartoon that casts him as a snobbish, indifferent, predator?

askin4it 3y ago

Do you see the problem with your cartoon tutorial. Correct me if I'm wrong but your lesson is a good example of begging the question . I think of the two fallacies, the whipped white guys is not nearly as bad as yours. His is merely anecdotal. Yours rhetorically casts that sad sack as a predatory animal. Please stop helping.