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"AI threatens to deepen the dominance of a way of thinking that is white, male," I stopped reading there. I'm white I'm male I have 0 advantages because of th

"AI threatens to deepen the dominance of a way of thinking that is white, male," I stopped reading there. I'm white I'm male I have 0 advantages because of that. Always the same lies everywhere. I'm tired of it.

laratied 3y ago
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giraffe_lady 3y ago
You have to be able to see the problem with this reasoning right? https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264 https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  I'm not white. I don't believe that my "way of thinking" is meaningfully different from the way of thinking of a white person, language and cultural differences accounted for. Actually, I firmly believe that implying that is profoundly racist. It's small wonder that I see most dangerously racist bullshit being parroted in progressive circles.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    The point is that people can treat you differently based on their perception of you, mediated by apparent ethnicity. Your way of thinking doesn't factor in.
    - surgical_fire 3y ago
      > "AI threatens to deepen the dominance of a way of thinking that is white, male," This was the claim. And I refuse this notion. The worst atrocities humans inflicted upon one another were derived from a fundamental belief that the "others" being oppressed were meaningfully different from the oppressors, and therefore was ok to oppress them. And about people treating you differently based on their perception of you, that is a different claim. And that is just basic human nature. Everyone (man or woman, white or black) judges based on appearances, especially when that is the first (and sometimes only) information you have to navigate.
      - giraffe_lady 3y ago
        OK I was responding to someone else about their claim that being white had never benefited them. This is an entirely different conversation I don't know why you started it with me. I don't disagree with you so far.
        surgical_fire 3y ago
        The comment you replied to was commenting on the same claim I addressed, just on a different perspective (speaking on the lack of perceived advantages). I fail to see how my reply was misplaced. I'm basically on a subthread commenting on the same claim I chose to address. > I don't disagree with you so far. Good. This was a good conversation then. Have an excellent day.
        askin4it 3y ago
        That statement you made seemed reflexively progressive to me rather than an actual thought out position. Question: why does everything have boil down to a mortality lesson? Why can't white guy from the other thread have a little gripe? What's the purpose of scolding him , telling him that his opinion is wrong, and then treating him like a kid by sending a link to a cartoon that casts him as a snobbish, indifferent, predator?
- askin4it 3y ago
  Do you see the problem with your cartoon tutorial. Correct me if I'm wrong but your lesson is a good example of begging the question . I think of the two fallacies, the whipped white guys is not nearly as bad as yours. His is merely anecdotal. Yours rhetorically casts that sad sack as a predatory animal. Please stop helping.
endisneigh 3y ago
> I'm white I'm male I have 0 advantages because of that. Always the same lies everywhere. I'm tired of it. Even if it were true how would you know?
- tanseydavid 3y ago
  >> Even if it were true how would you know? I think a better question would be "How would YOU know?"
tr_user 3y ago
They mean to say patriarchy and white supremacy. The fight is against the system. I don't know why so many people don't use better terminology that doesn't exclude allies.
- barbacoa 3y ago
  It is a little ironic to think that people being patronaged by giant monopolistic mega corporations are fighting "against the system".
  - tr_user 3y ago
    there's lots of systems. you don't have to fight them all at the same time.
SilverBirch 3y ago
Well if you stop reading any time anyone suggests you might have advantages you're not aware of then it's not surprising you don't think you have any advantages.
- onetimeusename 3y ago
  is it possible to disprove that "AI deepens the way of thinking that is white, male"? I don't think it is for obvious reasons. It's perfectly reasonable to stop reading when you encounter an argument like that.
thefz 3y ago
I remember at the time Gebru basically went into leave until all her complaints were addressed, which can be considered as soft quitting for a company like Google.
FooBarBizBazz 3y ago
There's a funny thing about this claim. These models are now trained by a kind of reinforcement learning with feedback from humans. Who are those humans and where are they? https://slate.com/technology/2023/05/openai-chatgpt-training-kenya-traumatic.html https://slate.com/technology/2023/05/openai-chatgpt-training...

laratied 3y ago

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giraffe_lady 3y ago

You have to be able to see the problem with this reasoning right? https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264 https://twitter.com/nathanwpyle/status/1031008855210123264

surgical_fire 3y ago
I'm not white. I don't believe that my "way of thinking" is meaningfully different from the way of thinking of a white person, language and cultural differences accounted for. Actually, I firmly believe that implying that is profoundly racist. It's small wonder that I see most dangerously racist bullshit being parroted in progressive circles.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  The point is that people can treat you differently based on their perception of you, mediated by apparent ethnicity. Your way of thinking doesn't factor in.
  - surgical_fire 3y ago
    > "AI threatens to deepen the dominance of a way of thinking that is white, male," This was the claim. And I refuse this notion. The worst atrocities humans inflicted upon one another were derived from a fundamental belief that the "others" being oppressed were meaningfully different from the oppressors, and therefore was ok to oppress them. And about people treating you differently based on their perception of you, that is a different claim. And that is just basic human nature. Everyone (man or woman, white or black) judges based on appearances, especially when that is the first (and sometimes only) information you have to navigate.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      OK I was responding to someone else about their claim that being white had never benefited them. This is an entirely different conversation I don't know why you started it with me. I don't disagree with you so far.
      - surgical_fire 3y ago
        The comment you replied to was commenting on the same claim I addressed, just on a different perspective (speaking on the lack of perceived advantages). I fail to see how my reply was misplaced. I'm basically on a subthread commenting on the same claim I chose to address. > I don't disagree with you so far. Good. This was a good conversation then. Have an excellent day.
      - askin4it 3y ago
        That statement you made seemed reflexively progressive to me rather than an actual thought out position. Question: why does everything have boil down to a mortality lesson? Why can't white guy from the other thread have a little gripe? What's the purpose of scolding him , telling him that his opinion is wrong, and then treating him like a kid by sending a link to a cartoon that casts him as a snobbish, indifferent, predator?
askin4it 3y ago
Do you see the problem with your cartoon tutorial. Correct me if I'm wrong but your lesson is a good example of begging the question . I think of the two fallacies, the whipped white guys is not nearly as bad as yours. His is merely anecdotal. Yours rhetorically casts that sad sack as a predatory animal. Please stop helping.

endisneigh 3y ago

> I'm white I'm male I have 0 advantages because of that. Always the same lies everywhere. I'm tired of it. Even if it were true how would you know?

tanseydavid 3y ago
>> Even if it were true how would you know? I think a better question would be "How would YOU know?"

tr_user 3y ago

They mean to say patriarchy and white supremacy. The fight is against the system. I don't know why so many people don't use better terminology that doesn't exclude allies.

barbacoa 3y ago
It is a little ironic to think that people being patronaged by giant monopolistic mega corporations are fighting "against the system".
- tr_user 3y ago
  there's lots of systems. you don't have to fight them all at the same time.

SilverBirch 3y ago

Well if you stop reading any time anyone suggests you might have advantages you're not aware of then it's not surprising you don't think you have any advantages.

onetimeusename 3y ago
is it possible to disprove that "AI deepens the way of thinking that is white, male"? I don't think it is for obvious reasons. It's perfectly reasonable to stop reading when you encounter an argument like that.

thefz 3y ago

I remember at the time Gebru basically went into leave until all her complaints were addressed, which can be considered as soft quitting for a company like Google.

FooBarBizBazz 3y ago

There's a funny thing about this claim. These models are now trained by a kind of reinforcement learning with feedback from humans. Who are those humans and where are they? https://slate.com/technology/2023/05/openai-chatgpt-training-kenya-traumatic.html https://slate.com/technology/2023/05/openai-chatgpt-training...