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The attitude in the comments is amazing. The LLM chatbot hype cycle bears a lot of resemblance to the crypto hype before the crash.

NicoJuicy 3y ago
The utility of LLM's is a very different question as the profitablity of LLM's. That was something that was severely overlapping with crypto. Most people wanted to believe it's useful because it would mean $$$ LLM 's are here to stay, that's for sure.
kgeist 3y ago
It seems like everyone in our company uses generative AI at the moment: marketing department coming up with ideas, designers creating illustrations, programmers writing code etc. I.e. there's a lot of useful real life application of generative AI right now, people actually use it for work. Crypto, for most part, in my opinion, did not provide as much value to the average person. And it's now possible to run LLMs locally, so you shouldn't be afraid of exit scams :)
petesergeant 3y ago
I would pay several hundred dollars a month to keep access to GPT-4, and never found any use at all for crypto. There might be hype, but there’s also an insane amount of utility
- mnd999 3y ago
  Some examples please. I’ve yet to find any actual utility, mostly I’ve got a lot of convincing bullshit out of it.
  - vidarh 3y ago
    I use it to speed up writing boilerplate code. That alone saves me enough time to justify paying for access many times over.
  - petesergeant 3y ago
    For almost anything, I find it a better Google, and I can go fact-check it afterwards. It’s a better StackOverflow and better than most project or dev docs for me: I’m an experienced developer who’s writing Python for the first time. I know what I want to achieve each time (how do I produce the Typing type for…) but I find it much easier to use GPT. I use it to search for books or films or video games where I half remember the details, and it gives me options. I recently finished a dissertation (on GPT, as it turns out) and it was useful for me to research sensible correlation types I could use and build out my understanding (“wait, is Spearman’s rank is just Pearson in the rank order?”). Also I could copy and paste sentences I didn’t understand about methodologies in papers I was reading, or ask it abstract questions like “is there a standard name for a modified Likert scale but with a ‘not enough data’ option”. I was really struggling to work out how to change just one page orientation in Word, on a Mac. First few Google results I had talked about the Windows version, which had features mine didn’t have. GPT put me onto section breaks. Was Caffè Nero named after the emperor, checking my intuition about how short-term SSH auth certs work, jq recipes, why were Man U so popular when I was a kid, why did they suddenly start winning more often? I am curious about a lot of things, and GPT provides me instant answers without having to click through bullshit. If it’s something it needs to be right about I can double-check it’s answers. I am averaging ten topics a day on it, most have a bunch of follow-up questions.
  - thinkingemote 3y ago
    For me it's not the answer but the formatting or presentation of it. So it's like a normal search but where you don't need to reformat and rearrange the result to suit your needs.
lastangryman 3y ago
Within a few minutes you can sign up to OpenAI and see the potential of ChatGPT immediately, in you own hands. The potential of crypto/web3 was always an abstract idea (jumped on by so many scammers), there was nothing you could actually use to see the utility.
- kmac_ 3y ago
  Plus there is tooling like Copilot that works and is useful. I would love to have something like copilot integrated across my whole system, gathering all my current context, like terminal, notes, mail, issue tracker and have even just plain, simple autocomplete everywhere. It is feasible, and I'm pretty sure we will have more and more integration. I was sceptical, but copilot changed my mind.
fomine3 3y ago
Though there are people selling pickaxes at gold rush, it's not pump and dump scheme like most crypto
skinkestek 3y ago
LLM has provided real value for me the last couple of months, both as amusement, as a way to "talk" while working from home and by solving problems. And I was late to the party and arrived skeptical. With crypto I arrived early (2009) and in hindsight realized that the only real value I can see from most of its existence is transfer of money to and from hard-to-reach-financially places and as an object of financial speculation.

NicoJuicy 3y ago

The utility of LLM's is a very different question as the profitablity of LLM's. That was something that was severely overlapping with crypto. Most people wanted to believe it's useful because it would mean $$$ LLM 's are here to stay, that's for sure.

kgeist 3y ago

It seems like everyone in our company uses generative AI at the moment: marketing department coming up with ideas, designers creating illustrations, programmers writing code etc. I.e. there's a lot of useful real life application of generative AI right now, people actually use it for work. Crypto, for most part, in my opinion, did not provide as much value to the average person. And it's now possible to run LLMs locally, so you shouldn't be afraid of exit scams :)

petesergeant 3y ago

I would pay several hundred dollars a month to keep access to GPT-4, and never found any use at all for crypto. There might be hype, but there’s also an insane amount of utility

mnd999 3y ago
Some examples please. I’ve yet to find any actual utility, mostly I’ve got a lot of convincing bullshit out of it.
- vidarh 3y ago
  I use it to speed up writing boilerplate code. That alone saves me enough time to justify paying for access many times over.
- petesergeant 3y ago
  For almost anything, I find it a better Google, and I can go fact-check it afterwards. It’s a better StackOverflow and better than most project or dev docs for me: I’m an experienced developer who’s writing Python for the first time. I know what I want to achieve each time (how do I produce the Typing type for…) but I find it much easier to use GPT. I use it to search for books or films or video games where I half remember the details, and it gives me options. I recently finished a dissertation (on GPT, as it turns out) and it was useful for me to research sensible correlation types I could use and build out my understanding (“wait, is Spearman’s rank is just Pearson in the rank order?”). Also I could copy and paste sentences I didn’t understand about methodologies in papers I was reading, or ask it abstract questions like “is there a standard name for a modified Likert scale but with a ‘not enough data’ option”. I was really struggling to work out how to change just one page orientation in Word, on a Mac. First few Google results I had talked about the Windows version, which had features mine didn’t have. GPT put me onto section breaks. Was Caffè Nero named after the emperor, checking my intuition about how short-term SSH auth certs work, jq recipes, why were Man U so popular when I was a kid, why did they suddenly start winning more often? I am curious about a lot of things, and GPT provides me instant answers without having to click through bullshit. If it’s something it needs to be right about I can double-check it’s answers. I am averaging ten topics a day on it, most have a bunch of follow-up questions.
- thinkingemote 3y ago
  For me it's not the answer but the formatting or presentation of it. So it's like a normal search but where you don't need to reformat and rearrange the result to suit your needs.

lastangryman 3y ago

Within a few minutes you can sign up to OpenAI and see the potential of ChatGPT immediately, in you own hands. The potential of crypto/web3 was always an abstract idea (jumped on by so many scammers), there was nothing you could actually use to see the utility.

kmac_ 3y ago
Plus there is tooling like Copilot that works and is useful. I would love to have something like copilot integrated across my whole system, gathering all my current context, like terminal, notes, mail, issue tracker and have even just plain, simple autocomplete everywhere. It is feasible, and I'm pretty sure we will have more and more integration. I was sceptical, but copilot changed my mind.

fomine3 3y ago

Though there are people selling pickaxes at gold rush, it's not pump and dump scheme like most crypto

skinkestek 3y ago

LLM has provided real value for me the last couple of months, both as amusement, as a way to "talk" while working from home and by solving problems. And I was late to the party and arrived skeptical. With crypto I arrived early (2009) and in hindsight realized that the only real value I can see from most of its existence is transfer of money to and from hard-to-reach-financially places and as an object of financial speculation.