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Yes, you're totally right. Trying to take this in a more constructive direction though: what happens if I go bankrupt? I have no idea how all of that works, bu

Yes, you're totally right. Trying to take this in a more constructive direction though: what happens if I go bankrupt? I have no idea how all of that works, but I can imagine a judge saying this limited transferability clause isn't legal or something. How can I go bankrupt when I kinda-sorta own millions of dollars worth of company stock?

dragonwriter 3y ago
> Trying to take this in a more constructive direction though: what happens if I go bankrupt? If that is an important real consideration, you should consult an attorney; my general understanding, whixh yoi should not rely on, is that non-transferrability clauses mostly are not enforceable in bankruptcy, with some particular exceptions.
- stock-throwaway 3y ago
  It's a theoretical question, and I'm not trying to be annoying here, just genuinely curious. If this stock is non-transferable, does that mean it has an inherent value of zero? Does that mean I can file for bankruptcy and still keep the stock? I just feel like the nature of property rights in this country doesn't square with transferability restrictions. :shrug:
  - stock-throwaway 3y ago
    I used ChatGPT so who knows if this is true but: > For example, in a U.S. case, Associated Grocers of Maine, Inc., the Bankruptcy Court for the District of Maine ruled that federal bankruptcy law preempted a restriction on the transfer of the debtor's stock, thereby permitting a sale of the stock free and clear of the restriction. Makes sense though, honestly
    - givemeethekeys 3y ago
      If it is permissible to sell in bankruptcy, then I don't see why it wouldn't be permissible to sell to buy a new car.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        Its not “permissible”; asset sales in bankruptcy aren’t permissive, they are compulsory. The governments power to compel sale to resolve bankruptcy trumps your counterparty’s right to limit the sale.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > If this stock is non-transferable, does that mean it has an inherent value of zero? The value of stock comes from the claim against the assets in the case of dissolution, the ability ot sell in the market just enables one to realize that value without the company dissolving in whole or (as by issuing dividends) in part.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> Trying to take this in a more constructive direction though: what happens if I go bankrupt? If that is an important real consideration, you should consult an attorney; my general understanding, whixh yoi should not rely on, is that non-transferrability clauses mostly are not enforceable in bankruptcy, with some particular exceptions.

stock-throwaway 3y ago
It's a theoretical question, and I'm not trying to be annoying here, just genuinely curious. If this stock is non-transferable, does that mean it has an inherent value of zero? Does that mean I can file for bankruptcy and still keep the stock? I just feel like the nature of property rights in this country doesn't square with transferability restrictions. :shrug:
- stock-throwaway 3y ago
  I used ChatGPT so who knows if this is true but: > For example, in a U.S. case, Associated Grocers of Maine, Inc., the Bankruptcy Court for the District of Maine ruled that federal bankruptcy law preempted a restriction on the transfer of the debtor's stock, thereby permitting a sale of the stock free and clear of the restriction. Makes sense though, honestly
  - givemeethekeys 3y ago
    If it is permissible to sell in bankruptcy, then I don't see why it wouldn't be permissible to sell to buy a new car.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      Its not “permissible”; asset sales in bankruptcy aren’t permissive, they are compulsory. The governments power to compel sale to resolve bankruptcy trumps your counterparty’s right to limit the sale.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > If this stock is non-transferable, does that mean it has an inherent value of zero? The value of stock comes from the claim against the assets in the case of dissolution, the ability ot sell in the market just enables one to realize that value without the company dissolving in whole or (as by issuing dividends) in part.